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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

While he would walk into our side upfront, Jelavic aint good enough for Liverpool.

Its a question of where we aspire to be. Do we aspire to challenge the top sides?... or.. do we aspire to challenge for 4th, 5th, 6th?

Luis Suarez is a grade 1 player. Top class. We should be looking for another top class partner that would have us fighting among the best, not a 2nd tier player such as Jelavic that would have us fighting for the best of the rest.


The concern that i have with Suarez (and it was evident even today) is that he is surrounded by mediocre players (Carroll didn't play today so i'm obviously not just referring to him) who feed him scraps. While Stevie set him up for the first, for the 2nd and 3rd goal.. Suarez had to create those chances out of nothing as he so often has to. There was no build up, no incisive play. His goal at Wembley.. he was fed by an everton back pass. Who creates chances for him? If not Gerrard.. who? Suarez has to create for himself such is the paucity of quality alongside him. Had he been in the 2009 team he would have had Alonso, Gerrard and Torres (even Benayoun) linking up with him...feeding him chances, and him in turn providing them. Today he largely has to feed himself, and very often the chance is a difficult one. Suarez doesnt get easy chances that he would do if he played alongside quality players that set him clear (such as the Mereiles assist at Arsenal). We are failing him with the lack of quality around him, and its imperative that we vastly improve that with new signings as i don't see him being here past summer 2013 if we don't.

nah, dont agree, suarez is a great player but he`s missed loads of good chances this season and many of them were created for him, for instance i see you mention andy carroll, well in the win against everton in the league game at anfield carroll put suarez through twice but in that game he didnt have his shooting boots on, against norwich he did.
it`s not just suarez or even our forwards missing chances, right throughout the side players have missed great chances and sitters, even our defenders like skrtel and enrique have missed great opportunities and in the last few games we`ve seen dirk kuyt, andy carroll, luis suarez and john-jo shelvey all miss absolute sitters. how kuyt managed to put his chance over the bar from 2 yards out is beyond me, he probably couldnt do that again if he tried.
i think we tend to think that other teams create chance after chance after chance but in reality we create as many chances as anyone but we dont put them away.
to be fair though, although our form has been poor at least since christmas our scoring has improved, we put 6 past brighton, 5 past oldham, 3 past everton, 3 past norwich, 3 past blackburn, 3 past wolves, 2 past QPR, 2 past stoke and 2 past an in form everton again at wembley.
away from home we`ve actually scored more goals than the likes of spurs and chelsea, it`s at home that our scoring record is terrible.
we`ve hit the woodwork 30 times or something this season and it wasnt just one player doing that, right throughout the team chances are being created and wasted.
maybe a more clinical striker would help but successful teams dont just get goals from one source, they get them from everywhere, as a team from front to back players have just got to start getting their act together, look at shelvey against norwich, he puts a header from 5 yards out against the bar and misses a tap in!
i still think that we have got the foundations of a very good side, when lucas comes back we have 7 or 8 very good players who practically pick themselves and are as good as anyone else in the league have got (reina, johnson, skrtel, agger, enrique, lucas, gerrard, suarez), we are not a poor side we are a inconsistent one, you dont beat chelsea twice away from home, city away from home, man united, arsenal away, everton home, away and at wembley and newcastle if your rubbish. when we are up for it we can beat anyone. i honestly think we are a arjen robben away or someone like that from challenging for the title.

[RichardLFC1]

We are an average side with just two top class attacking players. Its why we sit 8th, and its why, on paper, we should get a hiding at Wembley next week.

What about playing them twice already and beating them twice infact the last 4 times we have played them we have beaten them.

Is this the same hiding everton was going to give us.

Your an attention seeker all your here for is to get a reaction and well done its working. But D_C there is something that myself and 99% of this forum can boast we support the greatest team in the world that is Liverpool fc. You on the other hand your just a tw@t

[Thommo's perm]

We are an average side with just two top class attacking players. Its why we sit 8th, and its why, on paper, we should get a hiding at Wembley next week.

What about playing them twice already and beating them twice infact the last 4 times we have played them we have beaten them.

Is this the same hiding everton was going to give us.

Your an attention seeker all your here for is to get a reaction and well done its working. But D_C there is something that myself and 99% of this forum can boast we support the greatest team in the world that is Liverpool fc. You on the other hand your just a tw@t

[Boxscarf]

What about playing them twice already and beating them twice infact the last 4 times we have played them we have beaten them.

Chelsea look a much better team under Di Matteo than they did under Villas-Boas. They're playing with confidence at the moment and given their current form they will be seen by many as favourites going into the final.

[Boxscarf]

D_C has a point about Suarez, he has to create a lot of chances for himself, this will probably explain why he has been so selfish this season at times, it must be frustrating to feel you are one of the few players creating decent openings etc.

Suarez needs a creative player behind him and a much more rounded center forward in front of him. I doubt those two players will be Henderson and Carroll, so we'll have to bring someone in.

[D___C]

i think you have it wrong on jelavic mate.
dont let his scruffy appearance fool you and the fact that he cost very little but that lad is an excellent finisher and i wouldnt have complained if we had of signed him in january.
he is far from a classy player but he is one that knows where the net is and how to put them in.from what ive seen of the lad id say he is currently the best one touch finisher in the league.

Dont get me wrong.. hes a good player, and has a knack of scoring scruffy goals. Watched him for Rangers and knew he would do well here. I'm not disputing hes a step up from what we have up top. But just signing him because hes better than what we have is no criteria to go on... hes a 2nd tier forward.

Its a question of where do we aspire to be... fighting among the top sides?... or best of the rest?

[Roger Red Hat]

i don't care if he's Messi's brother or some scruffy ar$e from a council estate... if he can put the ball in the onion bag on a regular basis he can be on the team I support anyday of the week.

[D___C]

What about playing them twice already and beating them twice infact the last 4 times we have played them we have beaten them.

Chelsea look a much better team under Di Matteo than they did under Villas-Boas. They're playing with confidence at the moment and given their current form they will be seen by many as favourites going into the final.

While your drumming some sense into him.. add in that Anelka too is no longer at Chelsea.

D_C has a point about Suarez, he has to create a lot of chances for himself, this will probably explain why he has been so selfish this season at times, it must be frustrating to feel you are one of the few players creating decent openings etc.

Suarez needs a creative player behind him and a much more rounded center forward in front of him. I doubt those two players will be Henderson and Carroll, so we'll have to bring someone in.

Indeed...hes had to go it alone such is the paucity of quality around him. Its a completely different story with Uruguay.. he has Forlan and Cavani alongside him and constantly plays them in. Take a look at the last goal in the Copa America final when the player of the tournament laid in Forlan. You take out Forlan and Cavani and put in Henderson and Carroll you dont see the same Suarez. You see a guy who knows he has to go it alone.

[Thommo's perm]

What about playing them twice already and beating them twice infact the last 4 times we have played them we have beaten them.

Chelsea look a much better team under Di Matteo than they did under Villas-Boas. They're playing with confidence at the moment and given their current form they will be seen by many as favourites going into the final.

While your drumming some sense into him.. add in that Anelka too is no longer at Chelsea.

D_C has a point about Suarez, he has to create a lot of chances for himself, this will probably explain why he has been so selfish this season at times, it must be frustrating to feel you are one of the few players creating decent openings etc.

Suarez needs a creative player behind him and a much more rounded center forward in front of him. I doubt those two players will be Henderson and Carroll, so we'll have to bring someone in.

Indeed...hes had to go it alone such is the paucity of quality around him. Its a completely different story with Uruguay.. he has Forlan and Cavani alongside him and constantly plays them in. Take a look at the last goal in the Copa America final when the player of the tournament laid in Forlan. You take out Forlan and Cavani and put in Henderson and Carroll you dont see the same Suarez. You see a guy who knows he has to go it alone.

KK should be sacked
Carroll is the spawn of the devil
Chelsea will tw@t us on saturday
Kerrys boring mantra ad nauseum
Uruguay is it now? Carry on babes...

[red till i die!!]

i think you have it wrong on jelavic mate.
dont let his scruffy appearance fool you and the fact that he cost very little but that lad is an excellent finisher and i wouldnt have complained if we had of signed him in january.
he is far from a classy player but he is one that knows where the net is and how to put them in.from what ive seen of the lad id say he is currently the best one touch finisher in the league.

Dont get me wrong.. hes a good player, and has a knack of scoring scruffy goals. Watched him for Rangers and knew he would do well here. I'm not disputing hes a step up from what we have up top. But just signing him because hes better than what we have is no criteria to go on... hes a 2nd tier forward.

Its a question of where do we aspire to be... fighting among the top sides?... or best of the rest?

we will never have the luxury of having a front line with players like suarez,lllorente and benzema in it at the same time unless we spend it like city and we both know that isnt going to happen.
for what jelavic has cost and the fact that he's only 26 he has plenty of time to become one of the best in the league.his record at rangers was outstanding albeit in an inferior league but he has picked right up where he has left off in the prem.he will bag the bitters 20 next season easy.
had he of been here and with the chances we create he would have that tally already and we could have maintained our push for 4th.

[D___C]

i think you have it wrong on jelavic mate.
dont let his scruffy appearance fool you and the fact that he cost very little but that lad is an excellent finisher and i wouldnt have complained if we had of signed him in january.
he is far from a classy player but he is one that knows where the net is and how to put them in.from what ive seen of the lad id say he is currently the best one touch finisher in the league.

Dont get me wrong.. hes a good player, and has a knack of scoring scruffy goals. Watched him for Rangers and knew he would do well here. I'm not disputing hes a step up from what we have up top. But just signing him because hes better than what we have is no criteria to go on... hes a 2nd tier forward.

Its a question of where do we aspire to be... fighting among the top sides?... or best of the rest?

we will never have the luxury of having a front line with players like suarez,lllorente and benzema in it at the same time unless we spend it like city and we both know that isnt going to happen.

We forked out 35 million for a forward.

[Simari]

As much as I hate to admit it, Moyes may have hit on something with Jelavic and Fellaini leading the attack. Jelavic has adapted well and has demonstrated some neat movement off the ball. When you have someone like Fellaini who has some skill with the ball and can use his size to advantage - well, it has the signs of a winning partnership.

I just hope next season, Andy continues his upward trend, with him and Suarez providing a similar threat up front. I'll also have to agree that we do need an attacking option with a proven goalscoring record.

I'm not fully convinced that Andy and Suarez can go through an entire season on their own.

Not writing off our captain yet, but we need to look at building something without Stevie as the central figure.

[D___C]

we are a one man attack

If we lose this guy we have nothing.

[Thommo's perm]

we are a one man attack

If we lose this guy we have nothing.

You are soooo dramatic

[Boxscarf]

You are soooo dramatic

Is he/she wrong though? Suarez has arguably been our best attacker this season (and the most frustrating) and it is clear to see that he is our most creative attacker. If you want to get the best out of Suarez then he needs to have players like Maxi, Kuyt, Bellamy, Gerrard playing around him on a consistent basis, even last season when we had Meireles he linked up well with Suarez. When you put Adam, Spearing, Henderson and Downing around Suarez, he's not the same player. I'm surprised him and Carroll play well together but they seem to play well, if only they were both prolific, but I guess you can't have your cake and you can't eat it too, such is life.

Suarez deserves a better quality of footballer around him and so do us supporters, finishing mid-table in the league is not good enough for this football club and if we want to keep players of Suarez's quality then we need to be ambitious and bring in the best quality players that our buck can buy and if signing the likes of Adam, Carroll, Downing and Henderson is the best we can buy for our buck then we're in serious trouble and we might need to re-think our stature because evidently we're on a highway to being an Everton, a big club that is no longer thought of as a big club. An empty shell of what once was.

You may slate people like D_C, yes at times that poster is irritating, especially with their constant criticism of Carroll, even when he's performing well, but their heart is in the right place and they are echoing the sentiments of many a Liverpool supporter.