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[Thommo's perm]

You optimists really bring me down

[tubby]

If it makes people feel special supporting Dalglish without condition then fair enough but it
clearly doesnt and wont get us results on the park.


Its nothing personal fella ,its just patience and faith have served us well over the years ,and if those traits are alien to you then in all probability
you belong to a younger, more success starved  generation,and for that you have my condolences .

Where was this long standing patience when Benitez arguably had his 1st real slip up? Double standards RBG. It wasn’t good enough then so why then is it good enough now?

I want to see Kenny succeed as much as anyone but I feel people are starting to show bias for him simply because of his history with the club instead of looking at the picture in black and white. I fail to see any progress on the pitch this season after our biggest spend ever.

[roberto green]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/telegraph-carra-remember-where-we-were

Carra still has sense.

Another sorry lame excuse. 6 months of Sh*t with Roy hardly make Liverpool suck. We still had a solid foundation capable of challanging. However Kenny destroyed that platform with his signings and sales.

What a crock of Sh*t. When Rafa left, he left a boring, predictable, lacklustre team with just one bloody striker. No, sorry, you are wrong. You are trying to big up Rafa into this hard done by great manager, but the simple fact of the matter is this. We lost many great players because of Rafas stubbornness over his preferences. He showed in the last year of his contract he can get the team playing brilliant attacking football, which won him his new 5 year contract under the idiots, but once he signed that, it was back to the same old, same old. And lets not forget he held a good few of the Liverpool players to ransom with regards to contracts. Until he signed a new one, the players could f*ck off.

Dress it up however you like, we would easily have been in a better position if Rafa didnt put himself first. And that is the truth of the matter. Rafa left this club in a mess, a one dimensional, boring mess.

OH Dear, It still baffles me how people still blame Rafa, let me first say he wasn't without fault that season, but the huge in fighting war with the owners were a major factor, he was promised money to spend and it was taken away from him at the last moment as he ended up having to spend money on the Greek Kryiakos,

let me just comment upon your quote "left this club in a mess,

He left us with Torres (who if Rafa would stayed he would still be with us now)
He left us with the quality player in Macherano (again he would still be with us if Rafa was here)
He left us with a poor player in Lucas (of who we all disliked but Rafa told us how good he will be but guess what he was right)
He left us with Skrtyl who he also liked (Has possibly been our most consistent player this season)
HE also left us with our best goalkeeper since clemance in Reina (who will be gone this summer)

If Rafa would of got the real money he wanted to build around the above he wouldn't of wasted 35m on Carroll it would of been another top class Spanish striker, Rafa also had the money pulled away forDavid Silva at the last minute,

but oh wait this is the problem we wanted British back in the squad never mind the quality, Jamie Carragher was vocal to
this as was Mr Aldridge, Carragher wasn't a happy chappie cos Rafa was not gonna give him the contract he wanted.

Rafa wasn't without his faults like I say I,e Xabi Alonso, but he has been by far head and shoulders better than any of our managers since Daglish's first stint.

I just think he needs a bit of credit.

[tubby]

Silva, Jovetic, Simao, Dani Alvez... we could well have won number 19 by now had he gotten the money he was promised. Instead he was forced to adhere to a 1 in 1 out policy but despite that he still came as close as any manager has in the last 10 years to winning the league not to mention knocking people out left right and centre in the CL. How people can moan about what he did here is beyond me. Ok he wans't blameless himself but who ever is. All managers make bum signings but given the circumstances in which he had to operate he done a bloody good job and it;s only now people are starting to realise what tits they made of themselves a few years ago when we had a bad season under him.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

If it makes people feel special supporting Dalglish without condition then fair enough but it
clearly doesnt and wont get us results on the park.


Its nothing personal fella ,its just patience and faith have served us well over the years ,and if those traits are alien to you then in all probability
you belong to a younger, more success starved  generation,and for that you have my condolences .

Where was this long standing patience when Benitez arguably had his 1st real slip up? Double standards RBG. It wasn’t good enough then so why then is it good enough now?

I want to see Kenny succeed as much as anyone but I feel people are starting to show bias for him simply because of his history with the club instead of looking at the picture in black and white. I fail to see any progress on the pitch this season after our biggest spend ever.

I know you couldn't possibly be referring to me Bav ? I was one of those backing Rafa to the very end ...Hodgson yes ,I admit I loathed that
twisted gnarly old fucker ,but Benitez I loved the fella .

[roberto green]

May I also add in that season, Fergie's media had it in for him, Sky Sports, Talkshite etc, as did Fergies mates at other clubs like Fat Sam , Big head Bruce, Arry tw@tface.

ok Rant over

[garethfeb80]

I voted no!

  When kenny came in was there a fan in the land who didn't want to see kenny at the helm? no? if your honest with yourself then you would say that you prayed for the day!  between lucas and gerrard being out for long periods of the season, the whole suarez affair! carroll having the potential but never looking like he wants to show it and downing+henderson who were not liverpools first choice signings plus the junk that comolli had rushed through the doors at anfield dalglish has had to deal with a whirlwind of change and take the most outrageous ammount of flack from the "instant voice generation!"  Fact 1! we have a trophy in the cabinet for the first time in nearly 6 years! Fact 2! the fenway sports group have spent around £40-£45m net on signings due to the torres and babbel sales (plus one or two other players) Fact 3! fergie signed the two main players liverpool were seeking in the transfer window even though he had 8 simular players for the two he brought in (which ruiend his CL chances! for any utd fan out there sneider was the player he needed but chose his obsession of keeping liverpool down!) and Fact 4! The man has had to deal with torres leaving, the suarez incident, comolli, players form, injuries to a thin squad and no investment in the winter when he needed it!  give the guy a break! he needs time and our patients! king kenny YNWA!!!!!

[maypaxvobiscum]

I voted no!

  When kenny came in was there a fan in the land who didn't want to see kenny at the helm? no? if your honest with yourself then you would say that you prayed for the day!  between lucas and gerrard being out for long periods of the season, the whole suarez affair! carroll having the potential but never looking like he wants to show it and downing+henderson who were not liverpools first choice signings plus the junk that comolli had rushed through the doors at anfield dalglish has had to deal with a whirlwind of change and take the most outrageous ammount of flack from the "instant voice generation!"  Fact 1! we have a trophy in the cabinet for the first time in nearly 6 years! Fact 2! the fenway sports group have spent around £40-£45m net on signings due to the torres and babbel sales (plus one or two other players) Fact 3! fergie signed the two main players liverpool were seeking in the transfer window even though he had 8 simular players for the two he brought in (which ruiend his CL chances! for any utd fan out there sneider was the player he needed but chose his obsession of keeping liverpool down!) and Fact 4! The man has had to deal with torres leaving, the suarez incident, comolli, players form, injuries to a thin squad and no investment in the winter when he needed it!  give the guy a break! he needs time and our patients! king kenny YNWA!!!!!

Downing and Henderson not the first choice signings? REALLY? That's alot of money to spend on second choices isn't it? 
Was Henderson needed when Meireles was there, and Aquilani was always an option? Plus we've got Shelvey who has shown much more potential than Henderson.
Are there no other left wingers available? If there was such an urgent need that the winger has to be English, how about a less expensive option in Matthew Jarvis? Surely he can do no worse than Downing?
What's your evidence that Fergie bought players whom Liverpool were wanting to sign? Was the interest shown by Liverpool firm, or was it just a rumor? As far as I'm concern, it's a myth, a conspiracy theory and a poor excuse.
And enough with this "Net Spend" rubbish. It doesn't change the fact that money has been spent when it could have been profit instead.
As for Kenny having a tough time, to be honest, between Rafa, Roy and himself, he's got the easiest time because he's got the money which Rafa hardly had, and the support which Roy never had.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

May I also add in that season, Fergie's media had it in for him, Sky Sports, Talkshite etc, as did Fergies mates at other clubs like Fat Sam , Big head Bruce, Arry tw@tface.

ok Rant over

ferguson and allardyce where out of order there, for a start ferguson tried to wind the evertonians up by harping on about rafa`s `small club` comment when he knew full well the point benitez was trying to make, english isnt benitez`s first language and you hear loads of `lost in translation` type mistakes by foreign players and managers all the time in interviews but people just ignore them because they know speaking a foreign language is a difficult thing to do.
plus it was absolutely obvious in that blackburn game that benitez wasnt making a game over gesture, it was laughable to even suggest so and if someone like mancini or ranieri tried to say the same instead of ferguson and allardyce the press would have ripped them to shreds and said they were losing the plot.
you only have to see how ferguson has been on suarez`s case over diving and the evra thing where he said we should never let suarez play for the club again to deduct that ferguson has a go at people he see`s as a threat to his empire.
if the press had any bottle in this country they would have laughed at ferguson for accusing torres and suarez of diving when he had the likes of ronaldo, nani, van nistelrooy and even david beckham who patented that two footed spring to buy cheap free kicks in his teams.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

I voted no!

  When kenny came in was there a fan in the land who didn't want to see kenny at the helm? no? if your honest with yourself then you would say that you prayed for the day!  between lucas and gerrard being out for long periods of the season, the whole suarez affair! carroll having the potential but never looking like he wants to show it and downing+henderson who were not liverpools first choice signings plus the junk that comolli had rushed through the doors at anfield dalglish has had to deal with a whirlwind of change and take the most outrageous ammount of flack from the "instant voice generation!"  Fact 1! we have a trophy in the cabinet for the first time in nearly 6 years! Fact 2! the fenway sports group have spent around £40-£45m net on signings due to the torres and babbel sales (plus one or two other players) Fact 3! fergie signed the two main players liverpool were seeking in the transfer window even though he had 8 simular players for the two he brought in (which ruiend his CL chances! for any utd fan out there sneider was the player he needed but chose his obsession of keeping liverpool down!) and Fact 4! The man has had to deal with torres leaving, the suarez incident, comolli, players form, injuries to a thin squad and no investment in the winter when he needed it!  give the guy a break! he needs time and our patients! king kenny YNWA!!!!!

btw welcome to the forum mate!

[D___C]

Where was this long standing patience when Benitez arguably had his 1st real slip up? Double standards RBG. It wasn’t good enough then so why then is it good enough now?

I want to see Kenny succeed as much as anyone but I feel people are starting to show bias for him simply because of his history with the club instead of looking at the picture in black and white. I fail to see any progress on the pitch this season after our biggest spend ever.

Bingo.

Too many are commenting with their hearts rather than their heads. He DID (past tense) incredible things for the club as both player and manager, and understandably their is a rose tinted bias towards him. Kenny Dalglish Liverpool manager...the good old days.

I'm quite fortunate that i never experienced Kenny as a player or manager, i carry no emotional baggage in commenting on him.

Kenny hasnt managed in a decade. Kenny's last job was at Celtic. Kenny's previous job was at Newcastle. You have to go back 17 years since Kenny did anything.... seventeen years... thats a lifetime ago, different era entirely. The game was dominated with british players then.. his Blackburn team.. Sherwood, Batty, Ripley, Wilcox, Sutton, Flowers.. etc etc. That team played Europe the following season and got hammered in every game. The standard of the English game due to the foreign influx means its an alien league to the one Kenny managed in. Unfortunately he has kept the british philosophy... adam, henderson, carroll, downing.. and shows an affection towards spearing and the likes of flanagan. He has been out of the game for so long so hasnt moved with the times. Hes stuck in a time warp in terms of players, as well as the 4-4-2 formation.

Kenny has been nothing short of disastrous this season, and if his name wasn't Kenny Dalglish there wouldn't be anyone on here defending him.

[garethfeb80]

I voted no!

  When kenny came in was there a fan in the land who didn't want to see kenny at the helm? no? if your honest with yourself then you would say that you prayed for the day!  between lucas and gerrard being out for long periods of the season, the whole suarez affair! carroll having the potential but never looking like he wants to show it and downing+henderson who were not liverpools first choice signings plus the junk that comolli had rushed through the doors at anfield dalglish has had to deal with a whirlwind of change and take the most outrageous ammount of flack from the "instant voice generation!"  Fact 1! we have a trophy in the cabinet for the first time in nearly 6 years! Fact 2! the fenway sports group have spent around £40-£45m net on signings due to the torres and babbel sales (plus one or two other players) Fact 3! fergie signed the two main players liverpool were seeking in the transfer window even though he had 8 simular players for the two he brought in (which ruiend his CL chances! for any utd fan out there sneider was the player he needed but chose his obsession of keeping liverpool down!) and Fact 4! The man has had to deal with torres leaving, the suarez incident, comolli, players form, injuries to a thin squad and no investment in the winter when he needed it!  give the guy a break! he needs time and our patients! king kenny YNWA!!!!!

btw welcome to the forum mate!

Thanks mate!  still have no idea how to use it but it's a great forum!!!!

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

@DC Quote

I'm quite fortunate that i never experienced Kenny as a player or manager, i carry no emotional baggage in commenting on him.

I would have thought any one lucky enough to have witnessed this would have been indeed blessed ,rather than the description you give.
I mean you're really not pretending are you ?   You really are an odious little man .

[Thommo's perm]

@DC Quote

I'm quite fortunate that i never experienced Kenny as a player or manager, i carry no emotional baggage in commenting on him.

I would have thought any one lucky enough to have witnessed this would have been indeed blessed ,rather than the description you give.
I mean you're really not pretending are you ?   You really are an odious little man .

RBG Youre bang out of order!!

We have no evidence whatsoever that Kerry is a man!!!

[D___C]

Thats the first time on here i've seen someone take something completely out of context. Not even Thommo has done that yet.

Brilliant.

Try reading the full sentence. "I'm quite fortunate that i never experienced Kenny as a player or manager, i carry no emotional baggage in commenting on him."