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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

After 15 months in the job, Kenny should know what his best 11 is...he should also know what his best formation is...he should have also drummed into the players our style. Yet none of this has happened. Now we’re in the situation where a large chunk of our supporters are unable to separate their support for Kenny as a manager, and their respect for him as a man. Let's be clear: No right thinking red is questioning Kenny’s love or dedication for our club. It’s unquestionable; he’s a Liverpool legend and the last remaining link to Shanks, Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan. He is, and always will be a living legend. 

However, let’s take off the rose tainted specs off and look at the cold hard facts.

-Kenny has been out of top flight football for 12 years

-He was sacked from his last two jobs

It was no secret I was against appointing Kenny long term, because – in my view – the game has changed too much. We’re asking Kenny to catch up with a more than a decade of changeand he’s struggling. It’s my belief that Kenny’s struggle begun long ago, back in the mi-90s, because he’s making the same mistake at Liverpool that he made at Newcastle and Celtic. A lot of our fans want to pretend the Newcastle and Celtic stints never happened for Kenny, but they did andhistory is repeating with:

-Signing average players for huge sums of money

- Employing negative, predictable tactics.

-Struggling in the league, yet managing to perform well in the cups

People need to stop pretending it’s 1989 and look at Kenny’s record in the mi-90s. That’s the manager we have today...and that’s the problem.

for a start he inherited a squad that had won 2 away games in the previous calender year and whose gutless displays had cost 2 managers their jobs in the previous 6 months, infact their gutless displays left us hovering above the relegation zone at christmas. within days of arriving our star player and the jewell in the clubs crown drops a bombshell on the club and says he want to f**k off to chelsea, if the squad was already not good enough then losing torres was another  real hammer blow.
despite this kenny steadys the ship and in the second half of the season we climb the table and we end up near the top of the form table, he did a great job.
this season the league form has been abysmal but we have won our first piece of silverware in 6 seasons and we are in our first f.a cup semi-final in 6 seasons, and i dont think it`s fair to blame dalglish 100% for the players that have been brought in, it`s obvious there is some sort of moneyball stats based transfer policy going on, i dont think kenny has got the same freedom that benitez, houllier, evans or whoever had in the past in terms of player recruitment.
is he doing a great job at the moment - no, is he doing a bad enough job to be sacked - in my opinion no

[7_Kewell]

After 15 months in the job, Kenny should know what his best 11 is...he should also know what his best formation is...he should have also drummed into the players our style. Yet none of this has happened. Now we’re in the situation where a large chunk of our supporters are unable to separate their support for Kenny as a manager, and their respect for him as a man. Let's be clear: No right thinking red is questioning Kenny’s love or dedication for our club. It’s unquestionable; he’s a Liverpool legend and the last remaining link to Shanks, Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan. He is, and always will be a living legend. 

However, let’s take off the rose tainted specs off and look at the cold hard facts.

-Kenny has been out of top flight football for 12 years

-He was sacked from his last two jobs

It was no secret I was against appointing Kenny long term, because – in my view – the game has changed too much. We’re asking Kenny to catch up with a more than a decade of changeand he’s struggling. It’s my belief that Kenny’s struggle begun long ago, back in the mi-90s, because he’s making the same mistake at Liverpool that he made at Newcastle and Celtic. A lot of our fans want to pretend the Newcastle and Celtic stints never happened for Kenny, but they did andhistory is repeating with:

-Signing average players for huge sums of money

- Employing negative, predictable tactics.

-Struggling in the league, yet managing to perform well in the cups

People need to stop pretending it’s 1989 and look at Kenny’s record in the mi-90s. That’s the manager we have today...and that’s the problem.

for a start he inherited a squad that had won 2 away games in the previous calender year and whose gutless displays had cost 2 managers their jobs in the previous 6 months, infact their gutless displays left us hovering above the relegation zone at christmas. within days of arriving our star player and the jewell in the clubs crown drops a bombshell on the club and says he want to f**k off to chelsea, if the squad was already not good enough then losing torres was another  real hammer blow.
despite this kenny steadys the ship and in the second half of the season we climb the table and we end up near the top of the form table, he did a great job.
this season the league form has been abysmal but we have won our first piece of silverware in 6 seasons and we are in our first f.a cup semi-final in 6 seasons, and i dont think it`s fair to blame dalglish 100% for the players that have been brought in, it`s obvious there is some sort of moneyball stats based transfer policy going on, i dont think kenny has got the same freedom that benitez, houllier, evans or whoever had in the past in terms of player recruitment.
is he doing a great job at the moment - no, is he doing a bad enough job to be sacked - in my opinion no

Not being funny mate, but you've ignored the fact that Kenny is making the same mistakes that saw him sacked from Newcastle and his beloved Celtic. Am i the only one who sees this? Maybe it's 'cos i've got Newcastle and Celtic mates...but it's a carbon copy of his stay at both clubs and it's a huge fact that's ignored by many.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

what was he supposed to do at newcastle to be considered a success? win them their first league title since the days when people rode around on penny farthing bikes? is that all?
he finished 2nd with newcastle and took them to their first f.a cup final in a generation, he even beat barcelona in the CL, that is good going as manager of newcastle.
dalglish has an excellent managerial record.

[7_Kewell]

what was he supposed to do at newcastle to be considered a success? win them their first league title since the days when people rode around on penny farthing bikes? is that all?
he finished 2nd with newcastle and took them to their first f.a cup final in a generation, he even beat barcelona in the CL, that is good going as manager of newcastle.
dalglish has an excellent managerial record.

He took Keegan’s free flowing, ultra attacking side and finished 2nd. He then employed his own players, tactics and approach that smothered the creative life out of them. Kenny transformed Newcaslte from a title challenger into mid table also ran in under 2 years. Sure he had some cup runs, just like he did at Celtic...but the bottom line is he’s struggled to get to grips with the league. Everyone talks about the 1980s...but conveniently forgets the failures that saw Kenny leave football management behind 12 years ago. How can he turn this around when his mistakes are EXACTLY THE SAME.

[LFC2007]

After 15 months in the job, Kenny should know what his best 11 is...he should also know what his best formation is...he should have also drummed into the players our style. Yet none of this has happened. Now we’re in the situation where a large chunk of our supporters are unable to separate their support for Kenny as a manager, and their respect for him as a man. Let's be clear: No right thinking red is questioning Kenny’s love or dedication for our club. It’s unquestionable; he’s a Liverpool legend and the last remaining link to Shanks, Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan. He is, and always will be a living legend. 

However, let’s take off the rose tainted specs off and look at the cold hard facts.

-Kenny has been out of top flight football for 12 years

-He was sacked from his last two jobs

It was no secret I was against appointing Kenny long term, because – in my view – the game has changed too much. We’re asking Kenny to catch up with a more than a decade of changeand he’s struggling. It’s my belief that Kenny’s struggle begun long ago, back in the mi-90s, because he’s making the same mistake at Liverpool that he made at Newcastle and Celtic. A lot of our fans want to pretend the Newcastle and Celtic stints never happened for Kenny, but they did andhistory is repeating with:

-Signing average players for huge sums of money

- Employing negative, predictable tactics.

-Struggling in the league, yet managing to perform well in the cups

People need to stop pretending it’s 1989 and look at Kenny’s record in the mi-90s. That’s the manager we have today...and that’s the problem.

The confirmation bias in action.

[Boxscarf]

7_Kewell has a massive problem with all of our managers, no doubt had he supported Liverpool in the days of Paisley he would have no doubt called for his head the first season that Uncle Bob didn't bring the league title back to Anfield. We could have Pep Guardiola as our manager and 7_Kewell would still have an issue with his management and would no doubt be calling for his head, it's how he rolls (or so it seems).

[tubby]

LFC2007 if you disagree with his points then tell us why? No use replying with 1 liners of pictures of f*cking sesame street characters mate. Kewell is making an attempt to explain why he feels how he does so as a courtesy you can at least afford him the same level of respect.

[7_Kewell]

LFC2007 if you disagree with his points then tell us why? No use replying with 1 liners of pictures of f*cking sesame street characters mate. Kewell is making an attempt to explain why he feels how he does so as a courtesy you can at least afford him the same level of respect.

cheers fella...i just want someone to tell me how Kenny has changed from the guy who was sacked from Toon and Celtic...bear in mind Kenny's bond for Celtic is alsmost as great as his love for Liverpool.

[tubby]

It was always going to be a tough call to offer him a long term contract mate. This is precisely the situation we all wanted to avoid, us playing badly and the inevitable calls for his head from some starting to creep in. At the time if FSG had said no they may have drawn negative attention to themselves and in fairness who could blame them for giving it to him. We were playing with a bit more a lot more balls than the Liverpool we have seen this season so it was all too easy to think that with a few additions we could be pushing for top 4 again.

I think the best case situation will be that the man himself takes the decision to step aside into a different role, perhaps back into the academy or elsewhere within the club.

[friendlyguy33]

I blame Comolli as much as I blame Kenny for what's happened this season. I wonder how much of Henderson he really saw last season? The same with Carroll at Newcastle and Adam at Blackpool. Henderson clearly wasn't ready to step up to Liverpool and hasn't become this season's Meireles. Even Enrique's form has looked dodgy since Christmas. Only Downing has genuinely begun to look like a player capable of delivering consistently and because he's an international you feel that he will get better next season.

The club's management boobed last summer with the spending. These are just not Liverpool players and it appears unlikely that they ever will be. Before we start assuming that Dalglish's second spell as manager is coming to a premature end perhaps we and the club should be engaged in a debate about why they took the decisions they did and what they intend to do about it this summer?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

what was he supposed to do at newcastle to be considered a success? win them their first league title since the days when people rode around on penny farthing bikes? is that all?
he finished 2nd with newcastle and took them to their first f.a cup final in a generation, he even beat barcelona in the CL, that is good going as manager of newcastle.
dalglish has an excellent managerial record.

He took Keegan’s free flowing, ultra attacking side and finished 2nd. He then employed his own players, tactics and approach that smothered the creative life out of them. Kenny transformed Newcaslte from a title challenger into mid table also ran in under 2 years. Sure he had some cup runs, just like he did at Celtic...but the bottom line is he’s struggled to get to grips with the league. Everyone talks about the 1980s...but conveniently forgets the failures that saw Kenny leave football management behind 12 years ago. How can he turn this around when his mistakes are EXACTLY THE SAME.

dalglish was a bit unlucky at newcastle, because he had shearer he let ferdinand (and ginola) go but then shearer got injured and was out practically the whole season. he brought in 2 strikers (stephane guivarch and jon dahl tommasson) and although they both flopped one of them (tommasson) came good eventually and ended up playing for AC milan and won serie A and the champions league with them, later on at the end of his milan career he came on against us in istanbul and was one of only 2 milan players who scored in the penalty shootout. it was a similar story with some of his other signings, the likes of hammaan, speed and solano all ended up firm fans favourites but after kenny had left. kenny didnt help himself though by bringing rush and barnes to the club, once that happened the newcastle fans thought he was just giving his mates a job.
if he would have had more time i think he could have done something at newcastle, a lot of his signings came good down the line.

[tubby]

I think Henderson was one of their best players in terms of assists or contributing in link up play to goals ect... Carroll was on fire before he got injured and Adam was one of the best players in the league. But remember he isn't playing the same role as he was at Blackpool so how can you expect him to produce the same way.

[Roger Red Hat]

he bought players that we're playing well, week in week out, on top of their games at the respective clubs. can't fault the man for buying players that show the level of skill and class required.

[friendlyguy33]

I think Henderson was one of their best players in terms of assists or contributing in link up play to goals ect... Carroll was on fire before he got injured and Adam was one of the best players in the league. But remember he isn't playing the same role as he was at Blackpool so how can you expect him to produce the same way.

ESPN stats show that Henderson had 3 goals and 4 assists for Sunderland in season 2010-2011 against 2 goals and 6 assists for Charlie Adam this season. Adam was a big fish in a small pond at Blackpool and half of his 12 goals last season were from the penalty spot. Carroll scored 11 in 19 for Newcastle last season for his boyhood heroes in a team which played to his strengths and made him the focal point of the team. Liverpool's build up play to feet just doesn't suit him and with nobody getting into the box to support him he's having to feed off scraps.

We would surely have been better off last summer testing Lille's resolve by offering £30 milion for Hazard not buying Adam or Henderson and getting Jarvis from Wolves on the other side so that Hazard and Lucas/Gerrard could have been the main men in midfield.

[parchpea]

The signings where surprising to most people and I think that feeling has been proven
right the way the years panned out.

Unless he walks away Dalglish will not be going anywhere soon but he probably will
need a persuasive argument when discussing the amount of funds available with the
owners as I am sure they will have lost a little bit of faith by this point.

If they do back him then Kenny will need to get this summers signings bang on as he
has left himself with something to prove in the market and owners do not take kindly
when good money is spent with little or no improvement in performance.