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by **JC_81** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:24 pm

Don't mean to put a dampener on his performance, but if you play him enough times, and Benitez has, then you'll get the odd good performance. It doesn't mean he's going to kick on, he's had too many false dawns before for me to believe that.

Well taken goal though, and an all round good performance, so well done.

by **Fowler_E7** » Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:30 pm

john craig wrote:Don't mean to put a dampener on his performance, but if you play him enough times, and Benitez has, then you'll get the odd good performance. It doesn't mean he's going to kick on, he's had too many false dawns before for me to believe that.

Well taken goal though, and an all round good performance, so well done.

exactly! good peformance tonight but im not gonna cream myslef because Lucas finally had a good game. If he can do that 5 games in a row then i might cut him some slack

by **Penguins** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:31 am

True. I am also surprised someone hasn't revived the good old Kuyt thread now that he has finally had a good game....

by **shawnk** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:34 am

Please give us more excuse to like you Lucas. Good game.

by **muzza798** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:39 am

Kerry07 wrote:
muzza798 wrote:He's had a decent game tonight and showed heart and passion. Still not first team quality. Next season we need to buy a holding mid to replace him. Dont play Aquaman there, he has no defensive ability atall. Aquaman should just be our star sub/replacement for Gerrard. Lucas is good though but we need World class players if were to push on.

You mean an offensive holding mid.. ie.an adequate replacement for Alonso that we still havent done that has devastated us this season. The loss of Xabi and the absence of quality is what Torres was referring to in his comments in the last 2 days.

While lucas aint good enough, he did really well tonight.

Well to be fair Alonso was a deep CM who rarely went forward and spayed passes left and right so no, we dont really need a CAM imo. We need a player who can sit deep and play World class balls all over the show a la Alonso.

We could go attacking though with a CAM but if we do then we should constantly play Aquilani to join up with Gerrard. We should though buy David Villa once and for all and then play Gerrad at CM but going forward to join the attac. Spending £45m on him would tie up Torres' future and would attract other big names. i think we can play the same way we did last year with 2 deep CDM's but if were to continue that then Gerrard needs to be one of the CM's and we need a new World class talent up top or on the wings to create and score goals. We need atleast one £30m+ player.

Lucas though. He is good and can do a solid job but he lacks mobility when defending. He lacks acceleration to get back when countered and doesnt close players down quick enough. Also he lacks the positional awareness when defending. An example being last season away at Chelsea. We defended very well cos Alonso and Masch sat flat infront of the back 4 and created a shield. Now Lucas pushes up creating alot of open space and alot of 1 on 1 situations with Masch where previously Alonso + Masch could crowed them out, win the ball back and nail a 40 yard ball to Torres straight away.

by **The_Rock** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:31 am

Need to put a few more similar performances if he has to justify his place on the team.

For starters....he and mascherano should get a restraining order. They shouldn't be in a 15 yards radius together (ie....if they are picked as a CM combo.....lucas has to play further up the pitch and not next to mash)

by **blurblur** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:55 am

forget it dudes... he still sucks... just that he's a little bit better than insua that's all... tonite was just a decent performance from him once in a blue moon... those who feels he's good, please wake up... statistics has clearly shown that he offers nothing much in attack and he's just a lightweight headless midfielder flitting around the whole pitch...

by **Greavesie** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:04 am

blurblur wrote:forget it dudes... he still sucks... just that he's a little bit better than insua that's all... tonite was just a decent performance from him once in a blue moon... those who feels he's good, please wake up... statistics has clearly shown that he offers nothing much in attack and he's just a lightweight headless midfielder flitting around the whole pitch...

why the phuck are you comparing Lucas to Insua?

and relying on statistics?

you sir are a bell end

I'm not defending Lucas, I dont think he should be in the team either but your ground for criticism is nothing short of a joke

by **blurblur** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:25 am

Greavesie wrote:
blurblur wrote:forget it dudes... he still sucks... just that he's a little bit better than insua that's all... tonite was just a decent performance from him once in a blue moon... those who feels he's good, please wake up... statistics has clearly shown that he offers nothing much in attack and he's just a lightweight headless midfielder flitting around the whole pitch...

why the phuck are you comparing Lucas to Insua?

and relying on statistics?

you sir are a bell end

I'm not defending Lucas, I dont think he should be in the team either but your ground for criticism is nothing short of a joke

ohhh greavesie... as you have already said it... lucas just do not deserve his place in the team so what's up with the stick that he's been getting? u trying to be god here...

why was insua mentioned...

cos he's the current top :censored:

alongside lucas...!!!

by **Greavesie** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:37 am

blurblur wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
blurblur wrote:forget it dudes... he still sucks... just that he's a little bit better than insua that's all... tonite was just a decent performance from him once in a blue moon... those who feels he's good, please wake up... statistics has clearly shown that he offers nothing much in attack and he's just a lightweight headless midfielder flitting around the whole pitch...

why the phuck are you comparing Lucas to Insua?

and relying on statistics?

you sir are a bell end

I'm not defending Lucas, I dont think he should be in the team either but your ground for criticism is nothing short of a joke

ohhh greavesie... as you have already said it... lucas just do not deserve his place in the team so what's up with the stick that he's been getting? u trying to be god here... why was insua mentioned... cos he's the current top alongside lucas...!!!

Lucas and Insua are two completely different players, one has NOTHING (repeat NOTHING) to do with the other

I may agree that he shouldn't be in the team but your reasoning is b0llocks

by **Kerry07** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:59 am

muzza798 wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:
muzza798 wrote:He's had a decent game tonight and showed heart and passion. Still not first team quality. Next season we need to buy a holding mid to replace him. Dont play Aquaman there, he has no defensive ability atall. Aquaman should just be our star sub/replacement for Gerrard. Lucas is good though but we need World class players if were to push on.

You mean an offensive holding mid.. ie.an adequate replacement for Alonso that we still havent done that has devastated us this season. The loss of Xabi and the absence of quality is what Torres was referring to in his comments in the last 2 days.

While lucas aint good enough, he did really well tonight.

Well to be fair Alonso was a deep CM who rarely went forward and spayed passes left and right so no, we dont really need a CAM imo. We need a player who can sit deep and play World class balls all over the show a la Alonso.

We could go attacking though with a CAM but if we do then we should constantly play Aquilani to join up with Gerrard. We should though buy David Villa once and for all and then play Gerrad at CM but going forward to join the attac. Spending £45m on him would tie up Torres' future and would attract other big names. i think we can play the same way we did last year with 2 deep CDM's but if were to continue that then Gerrard needs to be one of the CM's and we need a new World class talent up top or on the wings to create and score goals. We need atleast one £30m+ player.

Lucas though. He is good and can do a solid job but he lacks mobility when defending. He lacks acceleration to get back when countered and doesnt close players down quick enough. Also he lacks the positional awareness when defending. An example being last season away at Chelsea. We defended very well cos Alonso and Masch sat flat infront of the back 4 and created a shield. Now Lucas pushes up creating alot of open space and alot of 1 on 1 situations with Masch where previously Alonso + Masch could crowed them out, win the ball back and nail a 40 yard ball to Torres straight away.

Alonso is an offensive holding mid... thats exactly what he is. Sits deep and is creative with long incisive passing. Its that loss of creativity that has killed us this season and we badly need a summer replacement.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:34 am

Judging by that goal today, it looks like he's been learning a few things from Torres. I'm really happy for Lucas and I hope that he makes more of these kinds of contrubutions in the future.

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:33 am

john craig wrote:Don't mean to put a dampener on his performance, but if you play him enough times, and Benitez has, then you'll get the odd good performance. It doesn't mean he's going to kick on, he's had too many false dawns before for me to believe that.

Well taken goal though, and an all round good performance, so well done.

i'm of the same opinion.

One good game doesn't mean he's brilliant much like one bad game doesn't mean he's sh.ite. He's been consistantly 'okay' in my opinion this season. He's been good in a couple of games now, but had more poor games than good ones.

He is improving, like insua, but can we afford to carry players whilst they improve on the pitch? I also feel that a consistant run in the team would improve any youngster. Stick Pacheco in the team for 10/12 games in a row, and you'd see an improvement. He should improve with age and game time - but is it enough?

He's a good player - just not good enough for a title winning side. We can do better.

by **bigmick** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:26 am

john craig wrote:Don't mean to put a dampener on his performance, but if you play him enough times, and Benitez has, then you'll get the odd good performance. It doesn't mean he's going to kick on, he's had too many false dawns before for me to believe that.

Well taken goal though, and an all round good performance, so well done.

That's about the size of it. Neil Mellor scored a great goal against Arsenal once.

All that said, good luck to the lad as he's never stopped trying despite his obvious limitations. Good run for the goal, obviously well found by Gerrard and a good finish.

by **stmichael** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:24 am

As I've said before, take the shackles off him and he's a different player. He's not a defensive midfielder in a million years.

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