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by **zarababe** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:28 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:if this was Torres, Reina, Gerrard or even Masch complaining i would be worried. But it isn't, is an average winger who is crying because he is struggling toget into the first team.

Sorry Albert lad, but if you don't like it then you know where the door is. Have fun in Russia, you'll find its a bit of a culture shock from the Premire league.

To spin it the other way...

If this were the first time that question marks had been raised about Rafa's man management approach I wouldn't be concerned but it's not and an emerging pattern is there for all (who are willing to acknowledge it) to see. I'm not saying Riera should be excused for handling things in this way--bleating to the press is not on--but it does add one more piece to the puzzle that is Rafa Benitez IMO.

or there is another spin... who is criticising his mgt style? players who havn't made the grade, despite all the chances. Lets not forget all the good and grt players are currently on signing or have recently signed long term contracts.

Riera is it out of order.. I would be happy to see him get the 'Rafa treatment' in the reserves. If it wasn't for Rafa he would not have been in the Spain squad per se. Rafa has resurrected many a career.. lets not forget many doubted Torres, and he readily credits Rafa for his development and success since coming to LFC.

Get of yer high horses and back yer manager..

by **DrPepe** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:34 pm

Big Niall wrote:It is easy to see how Mourinho's players love the guy. Do you think Any LFC player gives a damn about Benitez. I say it is a cold dressing room.

yep terry, lampard et al loved him so much they got him the sack

ffs
:laugh:

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:36 pm

zarababe wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:if this was Torres, Reina, Gerrard or even Masch complaining i would be worried. But it isn't, is an average winger who is crying because he is struggling toget into the first team.

Sorry Albert lad, but if you don't like it then you know where the door is. Have fun in Russia, you'll find its a bit of a culture shock from the Premire league.

To spin it the other way...

If this were the first time that question marks had been raised about Rafa's man management approach I wouldn't be concerned but it's not and an emerging pattern is there for all (who are willing to acknowledge it) to see. I'm not saying Riera should be excused for handling things in this way--bleating to the press is not on--but it does add one more piece to the puzzle that is Rafa Benitez IMO.

or there is another spin... who is criticising his mgt style? players who havn't made the grade, despite all the chances. Lets not forget all the good and grt players are currently on signing or have recently signed long term contracts.

Riera is it out of order.. I would be happy to see him get the 'Rafa treatment' in the reserves. If it wasn't for Rafa he would not have been in the Spain squad per se. Rafa has resurrected many a career.. lets not forget many doubted Torres, and he readily credits Rafa for his development and success since coming to LFC.

Get of yer high horses and back yer manager..

You seriously baffle me.

Its LFC and not Rafa that gets these players in the Spain squad, our standing in the game, our history etc.

Support your club and not ONLY the manager.

by **lakes10** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:36 pm

Emerald Red wrote:You know what, Riera is a class A f*cking knob for blurting out this to the press. It's absolutely classless, and anyone who uses his words as another little tidbit to back up their mudane and tedious attacks on the side and manager is a class A knob as well. This kind of sh*t should not be tolorated or acceptable AT ANY situation at any club, especially us. See ye later, Albert! May the door catch your bollox on the way out.

bit like what Raffa did, running to the press all the time over his own contract.

by **DrPepe** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:42 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
zarababe wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:if this was Torres, Reina, Gerrard or even Masch complaining i would be worried. But it isn't, is an average winger who is crying because he is struggling toget into the first team.

Sorry Albert lad, but if you don't like it then you know where the door is. Have fun in Russia, you'll find its a bit of a culture shock from the Premire league.

To spin it the other way...

If this were the first time that question marks had been raised about Rafa's man management approach I wouldn't be concerned but it's not and an emerging pattern is there for all (who are willing to acknowledge it) to see. I'm not saying Riera should be excused for handling things in this way--bleating to the press is not on--but it does add one more piece to the puzzle that is Rafa Benitez IMO.

or there is another spin... who is criticising his mgt style? players who havn't made the grade, despite all the chances. Lets not forget all the good and grt players are currently on signing or have recently signed long term contracts.

Riera is it out of order.. I would be happy to see him get the 'Rafa treatment' in the reserves. If it wasn't for Rafa he would not have been in the Spain squad per se. Rafa has resurrected many a career.. lets not forget many doubted Torres, and he readily credits Rafa for his development and success since coming to LFC.

Get of yer high horses and back yer manager..

You seriously baffle me.

Its LFC and not Rafa that gets these players in the Spain squad, our standing in the game, our history etc.

Support your club and not ONLY the manager.

ya think if we 'd spent the last 5 years in 5th, 6th 7th in the league and struggling to get into the WAFA , rather than winning the CL, getting to finals and the final rounds of the top competition in the world and amongst the top teams in the strongest european league that the coach of Spain would give a sh/it about what we won 20 years ago?

support your club, but lets not get silly

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:43 pm

zarababe wrote:or there is another spin... who is criticising his mgt style? players who havn't made the grade, despite all the chances. Lets not forget all the good and grt players are currently on signing or have recently signed long term contracts.

I might just about buy that were it not for some of the hints Alonso has made since leaving the club and were it not for some of the comments made by Carra in his biography. I think there are top players who are just as hacked off with Rafa's management style but who are far more professional about the matter (which I agree Riera has not been). As many have said, if and when Rafa goes it will be interesting to hear what some of the current players divulge, just as it will be interesting to read their views when it comes time to pen or update their autobiographies.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:49 pm

Emerald Red wrote:Riera would get into any Liverpool team in the last 30 years?

Better than John Barnes then?

Look, I never said he was better than anyone, I just reckon he is better than he is showing and when he is good - he'd of got into any past Liverpool team.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:50 pm

DrPepe wrote:ya think if we 'd spent the last 5 years in 5th, 6th 7th in the league and struggling to get into the WAFA , rather than winning the CL, getting to finals and the final rounds of the top competition in the world and amongst the top teams in the strongest european league that the coach of Spain would give a sh/it about what we won 20 years ago?

support your club, but lets not get silly

Er, we finish in the same sorta position now as we did under houllier and evans. Its just that the amount of places in the competition has increased.

And i genuinely believe that its the standing of the club and not the manager that has got these players in their national squads.

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:53 pm

On the subject of riera it has seemed bizarre to me all season.
He seems to have been clearly frozen out.

He was a key player in that run last season and the side had far better balance than anything we have seen this season. So to me his continued ommitance is rather puzzling to say the least.

There surely cant be one fan that actually is being serious if they are defending Rafa's man management skills ?

by **DrPepe** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:56 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
DrPepe wrote:ya think if we 'd spent the last 5 years in 5th, 6th 7th in the league and struggling to get into the WAFA , rather than winning the CL, getting to finals and the final rounds of the top competition in the world and amongst the top teams in the strongest european league that the coach of Spain would give a sh/it about what we won 20 years ago?

support your club, but lets not get silly

Er, we finish in the same sorta position now as we did under houllier and evans. Its just that the amount of places in the competition has increased.

And i genuinely believe that its the standing of the club and not the manager that has got these players in their national squads.

the standing of the club 20 years ago has got riera into the spanish squad :buttrock

by **DrPepe** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:57 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:On the subject of riera it has seemed bizarre to me all season.
He seems to have been clearly frozen out.

He was a key player in that run last season and the side had far better balance than anything we have seen this season. So to me his continued ommitance is rather puzzling to say the least.

There surely cant be one fan that actually is being serious if they are defending Rafa's man management skills ?

has had 4 seperate hamstring or foot injuries stretching from aug to feb according to physio room

Hamstring Injury Liverpool Injuries 2010 February 5th
Hamstring Injury Liverpool Injuries 2009 December 15th
Hamstring Injury Liverpool Injuries 2009 October 15th
Ankle/Foot Injury Liverpool Injuries 2009 August 5th

that doesn't help

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:12 pm

DrPepe wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
DrPepe wrote:ya think if we 'd spent the last 5 years in 5th, 6th 7th in the league and struggling to get into the WAFA , rather than winning the CL, getting to finals and the final rounds of the top competition in the world and amongst the top teams in the strongest european league that the coach of Spain would give a sh/it about what we won 20 years ago?

support your club, but lets not get silly

Er, we finish in the same sorta position now as we did under houllier and evans. Its just that the amount of places in the competition has increased.

And i genuinely believe that its the standing of the club and not the manager that has got these players in their national squads.

the standing of the club 20 years ago has got riera into the spanish squad

are you saying rafa has ?

by **DrPepe** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:18 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
DrPepe wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
DrPepe wrote:ya think if we 'd spent the last 5 years in 5th, 6th 7th in the league and struggling to get into the WAFA , rather than winning the CL, getting to finals and the final rounds of the top competition in the world and amongst the top teams in the strongest european league that the coach of Spain would give a sh/it about what we won 20 years ago?

support your club, but lets not get silly

Er, we finish in the same sorta position now as we did under houllier and evans. Its just that the amount of places in the competition has increased.

And i genuinely believe that its the standing of the club and not the manager that has got these players in their national squads.

the standing of the club 20 years ago has got riera into the spanish squad

are you saying rafa has ?

not rafa

the performances of his team (containing riera, and managed by benitez)

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:19 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
DrPepe wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
DrPepe wrote:ya think if we 'd spent the last 5 years in 5th, 6th 7th in the league and struggling to get into the WAFA , rather than winning the CL, getting to finals and the final rounds of the top competition in the world and amongst the top teams in the strongest european league that the coach of Spain would give a sh/it about what we won 20 years ago?

support your club, but lets not get silly

Er, we finish in the same sorta position now as we did under houllier and evans. Its just that the amount of places in the competition has increased.

And i genuinely believe that its the standing of the club and not the manager that has got these players in their national squads.

the standing of the club 20 years ago has got riera into the spanish squad

are you saying rafa has ?

So are you saying that the likes of Gerrard and Carra have turned into the players they have in spight of Rafa? Please !

by **DrPepe** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:24 pm

Hamann hammers Riera for Rafa rant

Dietmar Hamann has hit out at Liverpool winger Albert Riera after he went public with his frustrations with manager Rafael Benitez.

"I didn't read too much into the comments because he's a player who has not played too much football over the last six to eight months," said the former Germany international.

"He is clearly frustrated but you have to say since he signed for Liverpool (in September 2008) he has not done enough to really have an opinion on the manager.

"If Riera is not in the team it is probably because he is not doing enough in training or in games.

"You have players these days who complain about managers and I think these players should look at themselves.

"The first question you have to ask when you are not playing is have you done enough to be in the team.

"These days it happens too often with players who can't get in the team and the first thing they do is blame the manager.

"I can honestly say I have never had a problem with a manager in 15 years of my career and I would never blame a manager for not playing."

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