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by **tonyeh** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:02 pm

Zonal marking clearly works...

Not in set pieces.

by **roberto green** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:08 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Zonal marking clearly works...

Not in set pieces.

Well it did when we had a certain Sami Hyypia

:nod

by **devaney** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:33 am

roberto green wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Zonal marking clearly works...

Not in set pieces.

Well it did when we had a certain Sami Hyypia

Sami Hyypia the absolute legend that Benitez failed to bring on until the 80th minute in an almost meaningless last match of the season game at Anfield against Spurs. It took the crowd to call Sammi's name time and time again before the incredibly stubborn Benitez actually brought him on. Is it any wonder Benitez couldn't keep the likes of Alonso, Arbeloa and Hyppia. He has all the motivation skills of a complete idiot!

I WILL NEVER SUBSCRIBE TO THE CR.AP that it wasn't Benitez's fault that these quality players left because they all wanted to leave. It is Benitez's job to keep quality players and persuade them to stay. He fails in this area as well as most others!

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:43 pm

Arbeloa wanted to go back to spain and didnt want to sign a new contract - feck all to do with Rafa

Sami wanted more regular first team footy and wouldnt of got it with us in the prem - feck all to do with Rafa

Xabi - go through the xabi thread and its all written down there - xabi wasnt at top form when he was looking to get barry to replace him and not many disagreed - the transfer didnt happen and then xabi went and had a great season but already made his mind up to leave to go home .

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:45 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Arbeloa wanted to go back to spain and didnt want to sign a new contract - feck all to do with Rafa

Sami wanted more regular first team footy and wouldnt of got it with us in the prem - feck all to do with Rafa

Xabi - go through the xabi thread and its all written down there - xabi wasnt at top form when he was looking to get barry to replace him and not many disagreed - the transfer didnt happen and then xabi went and had a great season but already made his mind up to leave to go home .

I am sorry Benny but if you honestly think that Benitez couldn't have done anything to stop all three of them leaving then we will just have to agree to differ.

Just look at the way Benitez treated Sami in his last game if you want a real indication of Benitez's man management skills. Some of the crowd had already left when Benitez eventually brought Sami on to wave goodbye to his adoring fans!

I remember saying at the time when Benitez initially showed an interest in Barry that it seemed fairly pointless as they were of similar quality. I just think the entire Alonso debacle was an unnecessary mess that Benitez failed to rectify. He gets paid an incredible amount of money to ensure that the players remain highly motivated and want to play for Liverpool.

The reason Arbeloa went was also partly to do with Alonso and the upset that had been caused.

I admire your loyalty and I have tried to remain positive. Unfortunately I am at the end of my tether and a change of ownership and manager can't happen soon enough!

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:56 pm

Fans leaving before the end ? which liverpool fans are they ? the stadium was still full from what i can remember right to the end . Sami had great years with us but was approaching his time im afraid to say and wouldnt get much first team footy for us - Rafa had already managed to persuade hiim to stay for a season when sami wanted to leave . Sami was offered a new deal but turned it down .

Arbeloa wanting to go because xabi did ?!? Arbeloa stated even before the xabi saga that he wanted to return to spain as his family hadnt settled - what should rafa had doen then ? he was offered numerous contract extensions but turned them down

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:58 pm

And as i stated in the rafa thread - each thread turns into a rafa bashing one - last time i looked this was about johnson being out injured .

by **Sir Roger** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:59 pm

devaney wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Arbeloa wanted to go back to spain and didnt want to sign a new contract - feck all to do with Rafa

Sami wanted more regular first team footy and wouldnt of got it with us in the prem - feck all to do with Rafa

Xabi - go through the xabi thread and its all written down there - xabi wasnt at top form when he was looking to get barry to replace him and not many disagreed - the transfer didnt happen and then xabi went and had a great season but already made his mind up to leave to go home .

I am sorry Benny but if you honestly think that Benitez couldn't have done anything to stop all three of them leaving then we will just have to agree to differ.

Just look at the way Benitez treated Sami in his last game if you want a real indication of Benitez's man management skills. Some of the crowd had already left when Benitez eventually brought Sami on to wave goodbye to his adoring fans!

I remember saying at the time when Benitez initially showed an interest in Barry that it seemed fairly pointless as they were of similar quality. I just think the entire Alonso debacle was an unnecessary mess that Benitez failed to rectify. He gets paid an incredible amount of money to ensure that the players remain highly motivated and want to play for Liverpool.

The reason Arbeloa went was also partly to do with Alonso and the upset that had been caused.

I admire your loyalty and I have tried to remain positive. Unfortunately I am at the end of my tether and a change of ownership and manager can't happen soon enough!

What I dont understand is why would any player in their right mind wants to leave a club with a top, top manager who is a tactical genius and is going to win trophy after trophy because he is so good?
Why would they?

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:49 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Fans leaving before the end ? which liverpool fans are they ? the stadium was still full from what i can remember right to the end . Sami had great years with us but was approaching his time im afraid to say and wouldnt get much first team footy for us - Rafa had already managed to persuade hiim to stay for a season when sami wanted to leave . Sami was offered a new deal but turned it down .

Arbeloa wanting to go because xabi did ?!? Arbeloa stated even before the xabi saga that he wanted to return to spain as his family hadnt settled - what should rafa had doen then ? he was offered numerous contract extensions but turned them down

Were never going to agree Benny !!

If your happy with Benitez then good luck to you! His performance warrants criticism it is not simply bashing as you call it.

by **dawson99** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:06 pm

Johnsons gonna be missed whilst out. He's good going forward. He needs more help by the right winger and the CBs arent exactly helping lately either.
To say its good that johnson is out is just silly

by **bigmick** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:And as i stated in the rafa thread - each thread turns into a rafa bashing one - last time i looked this was about johnson being out injured .

I'm with you on that one. I was on here for about ten minutes yesterday and got talking about how it is possible to find players at decent prices. I used Spurs as an example, went through a couple of their signings and talked about how we might have looked at the likes of Arshavin from Arsenal etc. I didn't even mention the manager, didn't even talk about him, then somebody came on board and immediately switched all discussions onto whether or not we would finish above Spurs, and then some other numpty got onto whether or not the manager is better at his job than Harry Redknapp, and how our manager hadn't made any mistakes this season. There was me expecting a little sub debate on signings and who was/is available, but no dice I'm afraid. It seems that so desperate are people to be proven right on stances they have historically taken, they have become obsessed with discussing those subjects.

Anyway, all that said I think Johnson is an excellent player. I think he is underrated defensively, and a monster offensively. He is currently playing in an average team based on our performances this season, and any impact he is making going forward is off his own back as he can't rely on any incisive passing from midfield, and he has Kuyt running around a lot in front of him. the opposition can concentrate all their efforts on preventing Johnson from getting around the back, beating the full back, cutting inside and having a shot etc because he is playing with Dirk in the form Dirk is currently in. When the team plays better and more coherently, Johnson will improve again IMHO. We will miss him while he's gone and I hope he gets fit soon.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:14 pm

Remember mick - im sure that post was on the rafa thread and no matter what you say was looking towards rafa and why he didnt sign these particular players and as i have stated a few times people wont leap on you if your posts arent full of little snippets and little digs at people full of arogance . go back to posting sensibly like we know you can .

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:16 pm

As for Johnson - he is a big miss simple as that - been one of our best players this season without a doubt

by **bigmick** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:28 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Remember mick - im sure that post was on the rafa thread and no matter what you say was looking towards rafa and why he didnt sign these particular players and as i have stated a few times people wont leap on you if your posts arent full of little snippets and little digs at people full of arogance . go back to posting sensibly like we know you can .

Like I say I did about ten minutes and that was enough for me. Maybe I'm getting too old for it all but I just find it all a bit boring, the same old nonsense. I'm deliberately doing my best to try and talk about different things simply because the same old stuff is sooooo tedious. If you have a quick re-read of the section yesterday, you'll surely see where I'm coming from. Lando's contribution in particular was something else.

Johnson is IMHO a top player though, we agree on that. Sticking to him for a second, although I'm doing the old "Newkit thing" and backing him as I backed the signing in the first place, i do think he has to step up a bit. One of the differences between just a good player and being an absolutely top one is that you not only do something yourself, but you inspire others with your presence. He's got to lose this sulkyness, this feelingsorryforhimselfness which creeps in when he's not absolutely bombing. The team have been in something of a talispin so his form has dipped, but johnson is a good enough player to be amongst those who we look to to pull us out of it.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:35 pm

I agree 100% with what your saying about Johnson and fully agreed with his signing and still do even thou some dont like the fee - while it was 17 mil fee - its not like we paid 17 mil for him as their was the money from crouch owed plus something else from what i recall so its not like we had 17 mil lying around to spend . He is worth every penny we paid and was a must buy .

As for lando well understand where your coming from - the problem i have is when you start posts with "real fans " "believers " etc pigeoning holing people just becuase you believe in something your above that mick and far better than that .

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