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by **mart** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:19 pm

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Masch

Kuyt Aquaman Riera

Gerrard

Torres

by **Eagle** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:22 pm

4-3-3, but would probably need to replace Riera in the starting lineup, possibly with Pacheco.

Reina

Johnson Carragher Agger Aurelio

Mascherano
Aquilani Gerrard

Benayoun Riera
Torres

by **The_Rock** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:18 pm

Reina
Skertel Carra Agger
Johnson Auerlio
Mascherano
Aqua Gerrard
Benayoun
Torres

This for me makes use of our best players we have now....why ? Becos :

1)We just don't have quality wingers......our wingers $uck. Can you believe in all of benitez's time here...our best winger has been kewell ? And he was injured most of the time.

Currently our best wing players are johnson and auerlio in each flank...
a)They are pretty quick....
b)can take on players....
c)can put in a mean cross...
d)have a good shot in them...
e)are technically sound....
f)make good decisions when possesion of the bal (when to pass..when to shoot...etc).
g)Well johnson can obviously do all these....i would say auerlio is around 70% to johnson's level...and even then...he is the best left wing player in the squad. This just shows how weak our wing players are... :no

So my take....just give them the whole flank and let them run up and down without any team-mates limiting their effectiveness..

2)So with Johnson & Auerlio marshalling the flanks....we need 3 at the back. I can only hope with Carra, Skertel And Agger playing as central defenders....they somehow neutralise all their weakness and function as a unit.

3)Gerrard to drop back to midfield...yeah...yeah....he and torres had a great partnership...but Alonso was the key to that partnership working. And from early signs....Aquaman can't do the "Alonso quarterback role". So its no use to persist with the gerrard and torres combo as then there would be nobody who can read and dominate the midfield like alonso in our aquad spart from gerrard.

4)With Gerrard next to him... Aquaman will have more time when he has the ball (as gerrard can pull away opposition players with his smart off the ball running)...and he can do what he does best....long shots....quick passes.

5)Benayoun has been scoring quite a few goals now.....He should be able to score more by playing of torres..

To summarise....we have more good "central" players than wing players. So it only makes sense to play a formation which limits the number of wing players we can use...and use more of our stronger "central players"...

I would love it if we went back to the traditional 4-4-2...with good fullbacks and wingers... But we just don't have the wingers...

by **Owzat** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:13 am

Do you fit the system to the best players or vice versa? I'd stick with Kuyt, he may not be in great form but despite that he's still chipping away with goals and assists as much as players like Benayoun who people adore at the moment even though his output is little better than a player lambasted for poor form.

GK Reina
RB Johnson
LB AURELIO
CB Carragher
CB AGGER
RM KUYT
LM BENAYOUN
DM Mascherano (bring in Lucas home/away against sides we should be beating/being more positive against)
CM Aquilani
AM Gerrard
CF Torres

Players in CAPS are ones less likely to be universally agreed. I've not put it in a formation, but it would be much the same as at present except Aquilani might be a few cms more advanced than Mascherano/Lucas in a role a little more advanced than Alonso played ie much more a genuine CM than DM, with licence to roam the middle of the park and do what the feck he likes without dragging Gerrard back from his effective role behind Torres. I don't see the need for wholesale changes, LB is an issue and we could do with a better squad so we can put in alternatives to Kuyt to rest him, but is it going to be THAT much different to the XI that finished last season - except Aquilani in for Alonso, Johnson for Arbeloa and Agger for Skrtel, two of which are enforced by virtue of transfers.

Instead of bringing in Lucas for Mascherano when we're playing the likes of Burnley at home, we could play 4-4-2 but I'd rather do that with a better second striker than N'Gog, Voronin, Babel or even Kuyt (who is getting stick for everything and anything at the moment)

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:04 pm

I am certainly not going to exclaim that this is the best, but the mad scientist strikes again ! :

Reina
Carra Skrtel Agger
Johnson Gerrard Mascherano Aurelio
Aquilani
Torres N'gog

Or
Reina
Carra Skrtel Agger
Johnson Mascherano Aurelio
Gerrard Aquilani Yossi
Torres

when you think about this one, its sort of like taking our standard 4-2-3-1 and replacing Kuyt with an extra CB. This means that we wouldn't need 2 holding midfielders, and as such, Gerrard, Aquilani and Yossi would be more or less free to venture forward to support Torres.

by **mjlfc09** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:17 pm

In Rafas eyes it's probably:

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Lucas Masch

Kuyt Gerrard Benayoun

Torres

but in my eyes it should be:

Reina

Johnson Carra Agger Aurelio

Aquilani Masch

Benayoun Gerrard Riera

Torres

by **Festy** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:19 am

our best current 11 : Formation (8-0-0-0-0-0-1-1)
--------------------Reina---------------------------
Johnson----------Carra----Agger---------Insua------------
Kuyt-------------Lucas--------Masch----------Aurelio------
--------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------Gerrard----------------------------
-------------------------Torres---------------------------

or try this:(Formation 3-5-0-0-0-1-1)
---------------------Pepe------------------------
-----------Skrtel--------Carra-------Agger-------
--Johnson-------Lucas---Masch--Aquaman---Aurelio--
-------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------
------------------------Gerrard-------------------------
------------------------Torres--------------------------

I think we should try this:

--------------------- Diego--------------------------
Degen---------Kyriakos-------------Ayala------------Dossena
-----------------Lucas-----------Spearing-------------------
Al-Zahar----------------Voronator----------------------Aurelio
-------------------------N'gog------------------------------

by **anti-hero** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:45 am

Reina

Johnson Agger Carragher Insua

Mascherano

Benayoun Aquilani Gerrard Aurelio

Torres

by **Festy** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:22 pm

Rafa may even try this some day: :angry:

-----------------------------Gerrard (GK)--------------------------------

------- Riera-----------Babel(vc)---------Yossi-----------El-Zahar----

---Agger----------------- Ngog ---------Torres-----------------Carra--------

---------------------Lucas©----------- Mascherano -----------------

Formation: 4-4-2
Captain: Lucas
Vice Captain: Babel
Subs: Pacheco (GK), Voronin (CB),Kuyt (LB), Kyriakos (RM), Insua (RM/CM), Skrtel(ST), Spearing (ST)

by **spion** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:17 pm

GK Reina

LB Insua
RB Johnson

CB Skrtle
CB Agger

CM Macherano
CM Gerrard

LM
RM Yossi

CF Torres
CF Ngog

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:46 pm

Festy maybe its time to give it a rest as your contributing nothing to thread with your replies and its just spoiling it

by **shawnk** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:50 pm

Festy wrote:our best current 11 : Formation (8-0-0-0-0-0-1-1)
--------------------Reina---------------------------
Johnson----------Carra----Agger---------Insua------------
Kuyt-------------Lucas--------Masch----------Aurelio------
--------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------Gerrard----------------------------
-------------------------Torres---------------------------

Isn't that what we have been playing in this season...?

by **Festy** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:33 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Festy maybe its time to give it a rest as your contributing nothing to thread with your replies and its just spoiling it

Sorry mate but I won't give it a rest. If you have seen us playing this season, you will find that we have been playing like this:

our best current 11 : Formation (8-0-0-0-0-0-1-1)
--------------------Reina---------------------------
Johnson----------Carra----Agger---------Insua------------
Kuyt-------------Lucas--------Masch----------Aurelio------
--------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------Gerrard----------------------------
-------------------------Torres---------------------------

by **shawnk** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:48 am

Festy wrote:Sorry mate but I won't give it a rest. If you have seen us playing this season, you will find that we have been playing like this:

our best current 11 : Formation (8-0-0-0-0-0-1-1)
--------------------Reina---------------------------
Johnson----------Carra----Agger---------Insua------------
Kuyt-------------Lucas--------Masch----------Aurelio------
--------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------Gerrard----------------------------
-------------------------Torres---------------------------

I disagree...................

that this is our best current 11.

by **Espionage** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:48 am

Interesting to see people bring up the back 5 idea. I used to think this was an ideal formation for us as we had Hyypia who could play in middle position to perfection and always had 3 great CBs. But with Mascherano in the side I just do not see why we need 3 at the back. When we have the ball anywhere besides the final third, Masch acts as a centre back.

Anyway, personally I think at the moment this is it:

Johnson Carragher Agger Aurelio
Masch

Kuyt Aquilani Gerrard Yossi

Torres

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