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by **Redman in wales** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:28 am

Liverpool want an amazing £14million for Lucas

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez wants an amazing £14 million for Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva - and plans to keep him despite needing to sell players.

The Kop chief has been approached by a couple of top European sides who hoped to exploit the Anfield cash problems by landing Lucas in a bargain deal.

However, hard-line Benitez wants the stunning sum for the 22-year-old who splits opinions among Liverpool fans but is always solidly backed by his manager.

Benitez knows he must move out players in January to bring in cash to strengthen his squad - but his sky-high valuation suggests Lucas is not one of those he will sacrifice

Lucas has been a regular in the Liverpool side this season and even the arrival of Alberto Aquilani will not mean he is surplus to requirements.

The Brazilian will be watched by some of his admirers against England, but Benitez is steadfastly holding on to him.

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to be honest I'd sell him if we got any offer over £10m.... but that's just me

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:35 am

... and then compre it to...

LFC.tv link

Real madrid playmaker Rafael Van der Vaart could be on his way to Premier League club Liverpool.

Rafael van der Vaart has confirmed he will be leaving Spanish Giants Real Madrid in January and wants to move to another top European club, after rejecting a return to his old club Ajax.

Real Madrid will let the playmaker leave for £13million, which is roughly the amount they paid for him last season.

Real Madrid’s multi-million pound arrivals of Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Karim Benzema, has led Real needing to recoup some of their spending money.

Real’s summer spending spree put Rafael Van der Vaart a long way down Madrid’s pecking order.

Van der Vaart confirmed reports he had rejected a move back to Amsterdam when he revealed to De Telegraf, “ in principle I find it too early to return to Ajax.”

He added: “I don’t know if I will stay at Real Madrid but there are options. My dream is to play in a major championship namely England, Italy or Germany. Other proposals do not interest me.”

The Dutchman’s inevitable departure from Real Madrid has alerted the interest of injury-hit Liverpool, who will are keen to sign the midfielder.

Liverpool have missed the slick passing of Xabi Alonso, and Van der Vaart, would surely be the ideal man to fill the gap left by the Spaniard.

Liverpool is currently seventh in the Premier League table, and is in their worst run of form for 22 years.

If Benitez is to close the gap on their rivals at least to grab a top 4 spot, another creative player is needed.

This story has been reproduced from today’s media. It does not necessarily represent the views or position of Liverpool Football Club.

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VDV or Lucas... hmmmmmm

by **bunglemark2** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:01 pm

Don't know much about VDV's other abilities, but is he a "stopper" like Masch ? If he has that feather in his bow, then I'd be infavour of cashing in on Masch and picking up VDV, but not just on the basis of the skills we all know he has. If he can play a midfield holding role and break up opposition forays into our half then yeah....otherwise, no. It's a lot for just that...

by **Sabre** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:04 pm

Don't know much about VDV's other abilities, but is he a "stopper" like Masch ? If he has that feather in his bow, then I'd be infavour of cashing in on Masch and picking up VDV, but not just on the basis of the skills we all know he has. If he can play a midfield holding role and break up opposition forays into our half then yeah....otherwise, no. It's a lot for just that...

No he's not.

IF VDV comes, and we also have aquilani, that would mean to move Gerrard to the CM position once and for all.

Losing Masch would mean that we'd lose the only holding midfielder left in the team after Alonso going.

I would be very surprised if we signed him up.

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:19 pm

stmichael wrote:
bigmick wrote:The Birmingham game was a good example in many ways. True, we "battered" them, but how many actual cast iron clear cut chances did we create? How many desperate saves did their keeper have to make? Most of our half chances were hurried snap shots from ricochets inside the box, and it says it all really that by far our most potent player in the build up was our right back. Then we conceded two goals. True it would be hard to pin the blame on the midfield for that, but they did slice us up on a couple of occasions, the fella Benitez got himself one on one with Reina not five minutes before they scored.

For me our passing and movement in the central area is too considered, not fizzy enough. There is insufficient appreciation of angle, little subtlety of direction, and for those who are screaming at the monitor "you mean like Alonso used to provide you c... when you never appreciated him !!!!!!", precisely. It will be interesting to see if Aquilani can go some way towards filling the hole, but our middle duo at the moment are absolutely nowhere near managing it. Like I say, you don't keep getting beat for no reason.

Well Aquilani to me looks like a player who should be further up the pitch and playing balls in for the strikers. The thing is, the only way I can think of getting him there is to drop Kuyt, and stick Gerrard there. The media would have a field day with him out there, but he's shown he be more than effective out there. We all know Kuyt won't be dropped though.

Gerrard's proven his best position is right behind Torres, not out on the right.

Anyway, you know how well a player has been playing when you start to discuss who should be dropped or formation changes in order to accomodate the player in the side. Personally, Lucas will have to sit on the bench and be a decent option from there most times should Gerrard, Masch or Aquilani need to be rested, he's not a bad option to have.

by **JamCar05** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:32 pm

Sabre wrote:
Don't know much about VDV's other abilities, but is he a "stopper" like Masch ? If he has that feather in his bow, then I'd be infavour of cashing in on Masch and picking up VDV, but not just on the basis of the skills we all know he has. If he can play a midfield holding role and break up opposition forays into our half then yeah....otherwise, no. It's a lot for just that...

No he's not.

IF VDV comes, and we also have aquilani, that would mean to move Gerrard to the CM position once and for all.

Losing Masch would mean that we'd lose the only holding midfielder left in the team after Alonso going.

I would be very surprised if we signed him up.

I'd be surprised too mate. Don't get me wrong, VDV is a very good player but I just can't see where he would fit in for us with Aquilani finally returning from injury. I'm sure Rafa has other more urgent priorities for the next window (ie striker/winger for example) - that's if any cash is even there for him to spend.

by **Owzat** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:56 pm

Redman in wales wrote:Liverpool want an amazing £14million for Lucas

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez wants an amazing £14 million for Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva - and plans to keep him despite needing to sell players.

The Kop chief has been approached by a couple of top European sides who hoped to exploit the Anfield cash problems by landing Lucas in a bargain deal.

However, hard-line Benitez wants the stunning sum for the 22-year-old who splits opinions among Liverpool fans but is always solidly backed by his manager.

Benitez knows he must move out players in January to bring in cash to strengthen his squad - but his sky-high valuation suggests Lucas is not one of those he will sacrifice

Lucas has been a regular in the Liverpool side this season and even the arrival of Alberto Aquilani will not mean he is surplus to requirements.

The Brazilian will be watched by some of his admirers against England, but Benitez is steadfastly holding on to him.

link

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to be honest I'd sell him if we got any offer over £10m.... but that's just me

I'd value him around £6m-£8m at the moment, certainly nowhere near £14m.

by **heimdall** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:19 pm

Owzat wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:Liverpool want an amazing £14million for Lucas

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez wants an amazing £14 million for Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva - and plans to keep him despite needing to sell players.

The Kop chief has been approached by a couple of top European sides who hoped to exploit the Anfield cash problems by landing Lucas in a bargain deal.

However, hard-line Benitez wants the stunning sum for the 22-year-old who splits opinions among Liverpool fans but is always solidly backed by his manager.

Benitez knows he must move out players in January to bring in cash to strengthen his squad - but his sky-high valuation suggests Lucas is not one of those he will sacrifice

Lucas has been a regular in the Liverpool side this season and even the arrival of Alberto Aquilani will not mean he is surplus to requirements.

The Brazilian will be watched by some of his admirers against England, but Benitez is steadfastly holding on to him.

link

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to be honest I'd sell him if we got any offer over £10m.... but that's just me

I'd value him around £6m-£8m at the moment, certainly nowhere near £14m.

yet more proof of how savy Rafa is in the transfer market,

by **aCe'** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:26 pm

hahaha... Only reason any club would pay 4-8mill for Lucas is because he had a pretty long run at a top club and that immediately adds said amount to his value i guess... Certainly based on current quality and ability hes nowhere near that reported 14mill mark, and id say if we get 5mill or more we should sell him ... Been one of the main if not THE MAIN reason behind our sht start to the season before all the injuries took over as the main worry in the side....

For all the improvement hes still nowhere near good enough to play either Aquilani or Mascherano's role for us... best for all if we just sell him i guess..

by **redbeergoggles** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:26 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
redbeergoggles wrote:Lucas has proved the dissenters incorrect by a string of commanding performances in centre mid ,and is now showing the combative qualities that are more akin with Didi Hamann than some would give him credit for ,afterall some fans, and I include some of my mates in that equation ,were simply oblivious to the brilliant Germans contributions ,and this aspect of the game would often lead to heated debate after the match...

I expect Lucas to become one of them unsung heroes that never gets the plaudits of some ,but they are precisely the players that every team needs ,never missed until they actually leave the club .....

If Mascherano ups and leaves for pastures new in January, then Lucas will be more than a little relevant in our midfield and probably develop into the mainstay of our team as did Didi ,and these last two games I have seen have provided enough proof to draw the conclusion he will always give 100% to our cause

A little OTT to be fair
Hamman was class and a commanding, cool and influential player. If Lucas wants to be seen in the same light he must stop giving pathetic free kicks away like he did on Monday.
Not good

Oh he gives away free kicks ,so that's the one predominant reason he's not moving mountains for some posters ,I wasn't sure you see after reading all the other reasons posters didn't rate him ,you remember them don't you fella ? only it seems now after the lads recent performances that the list of his shortcomings is dwindling in respect to his burgeoning plus column .

As for Hamann I mentioned him in the same context of Lucas because he too had his doubters ,too slow , doesn't get forward enough ,I heard them in the Kop a couple of times ,you see even though to some fans Didi was the catalyst for Liverpool's winning performance , to some fans he remained invisible ... and that Sir Roggers was my point only you seem to have omitted that quite conveniently from your reply ....

:no

by **devaney** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:14 pm

aCe' wrote:hahaha... Only reason any club would pay 4-8mill for Lucas is because he had a pretty long run at a top club and that immediately adds said amount to his value i guess... Certainly based on current quality and ability hes nowhere near that reported 14mill mark, and id say if we get 5mill or more we should sell him ... Been one of the main if not THE MAIN reason behind our sht start to the season before all the injuries took over as the main worry in the side....

For all the improvement hes still nowhere near good enough to play either Aquilani or Mascherano's role for us... best for all if we just sell him i guess..

Make no mistake about it Lucas could do reasonable well in a PL club with less demanding ambitions. The bitters for example! £14m is top heavy though. £13.5m would be nearer the mark.

by **Sabre** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:18 pm

Didi Hamman was a very good holding midfielder that could distribute the game of the team. Lucas isn't a Hammanish player.

Anyhow, that's only the opinion of a football fan.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:21 pm

devaney wrote:
aCe' wrote:hahaha... Only reason any club would pay 4-8mill for Lucas is because he had a pretty long run at a top club and that immediately adds said amount to his value i guess... Certainly based on current quality and ability hes nowhere near that reported 14mill mark, and id say if we get 5mill or more we should sell him ... Been one of the main if not THE MAIN reason behind our sht start to the season before all the injuries took over as the main worry in the side....

For all the improvement hes still nowhere near good enough to play either Aquilani or Mascherano's role for us... best for all if we just sell him i guess..

Make no mistake about it Lucas could do reasonable well in a PL club with less demanding ambitions. The bitters for example! £14m is top heavy though. £13.5m would be nearer the mark.

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:31 pm

£14 Million for Lucas!!...what planet is Rafa Living on? I reckon he might fetch 14 Brazil nuts?.......Another player whom Rafa has "blind faith" in. I hope someone comes in for him, or we will be stuck with him and there is only one way his value will go?........and thats down. :nod

by **7_Kewell** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:05 pm

if Rafa canget 14 million for Lucas then he really is the best manager we've ever had

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