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[Rockthekop]

If you had 14m to spend you damn sure wouldn't spend it on Lucas.... or Kuyt for that matter. 

They are both ordinary hard working players, I'd be wanting both for 14m!

[redhayesy]

Lucas has proved the dissenters incorrect by a string of commanding performances in centre mid ,and is now showing the combative qualities that are more akin with Didi Hamann than some would give him credit for ,afterall some fans, and I include some of my mates in that equation ,were simply oblivious to the brilliant Germans contributions ,and this aspect of the game  would often lead to heated debate after the match...

I expect Lucas to become one of them unsung heroes that never gets the plaudits of some ,but they are precisely the players that every team needs ,never missed   until they actually leave the club .....

If Mascherano ups and leaves for pastures new in January, then Lucas will be more than a little relevant in our midfield and probably develop into the mainstay of our team as did Didi ,and these last two games I have seen have provided enough proof to draw the conclusion   he will always give 100% to our cause

A little OTT to be fair
Hamman was class and a commanding, cool and influential player. If Lucas wants to be seen in the same light he must stop giving pathetic free kicks away like he did on Monday.
Not good

Oh he gives away free kicks ,so that's the one predominant reason he's not moving mountains for some posters ,I wasn't sure you see after reading all the other reasons posters didn't rate him ,you remember them don't you fella ? only it seems now after the lads recent performances that the list of his shortcomings is dwindling in respect to his burgeoning plus column .

As for Hamann I mentioned him in the same context of Lucas because he too had his doubters ,too slow , doesn't get forward enough ,I heard them in the Kop a couple of times ,you see even though to some fans Didi was the catalyst for  Liverpool's winning  performance , to some fans he remained invisible ... and that Sir Roggers was my point only you seem to have omitted that quite conveniently from your reply .... 

mate, most of the time i totally agree with you- as your posts are a joy to read, but i have to say that i don't know why Lucas is being given so much time & thought on this forum, cause yes i'm one of if not his biggest critic - why? cause if alonso wasn't sold, an i still say to this day (tw1t & tw@t) forced the sale through! then Lucas wouldn't have even been thought of as a first team choice.

so with SG being injured he was all of a sudden a first team choice- i thought ok lad go on prove me an the doubters wrong- sorry for me he didn't grasp that oppo with both hands, all was claer he didn't do that, as i said in a previous post i would be the fist to hold my hand up an say i'm wrong- come on Lucas ,please change a game, grab it by the scuff of it's neck- please mate score a goal to make me eat my words etc etc.

sorry mate but i'm still waiting!  to give him any credit he has done alright in some games, that's not Raffa's fault for keeping faith with him,it's not down to tactics from Raffa cause Lucas only has one posisition he can play. it's down to the player himself, why do i say that- simple- look back at didi when he came on at half time in istanbul, an i mean when he first came onto the pitch ! his fist clenching, his attitude an enthusiasm was as infectius wasn't it! so much so that the captain continued that on etc etc.

to mention Lucas in the same breth as didi in what ever capacity for me is a million miles away in alround appitite for the game & the club, cause all the times i was in the kop when didi played for us i heard nothing but praise an admiration for the man!

Lucas has a long, long way to go before that happens cause his attitude isn't in the same league as didi's imho.

[Sir Roger]

Lucas has proved the dissenters incorrect by a string of commanding performances in centre mid ,and is now showing the combative qualities that are more akin with Didi Hamann than some would give him credit for ,afterall some fans, and I include some of my mates in that equation ,were simply oblivious to the brilliant Germans contributions ,and this aspect of the game  would often lead to heated debate after the match...

I expect Lucas to become one of them unsung heroes that never gets the plaudits of some ,but they are precisely the players that every team needs ,never missed   until they actually leave the club .....

If Mascherano ups and leaves for pastures new in January, then Lucas will be more than a little relevant in our midfield and probably develop into the mainstay of our team as did Didi ,and these last two games I have seen have provided enough proof to draw the conclusion   he will always give 100% to our cause

A little OTT to be fair
Hamman was class and a commanding, cool and influential player. If Lucas wants to be seen in the same light he must stop giving pathetic free kicks away like he did on Monday.
Not good

Oh he gives away free kicks ,so that's the one predominant reason he's not moving mountains for some posters ,I wasn't sure you see after reading all the other reasons posters didn't rate him ,you remember them don't you fella ? only it seems now after the lads recent performances that the list of his shortcomings is dwindling in respect to his burgeoning plus column .

As for Hamann I mentioned him in the same context of Lucas because he too had his doubters ,too slow , doesn't get forward enough ,I heard them in the Kop a couple of times ,you see even though to some fans Didi was the catalyst for  Liverpool's winning  performance , to some fans he remained invisible ... and that Sir Roggers was my point only you seem to have omitted that quite conveniently from your reply .... 

Hmmm
I wasnt conveniently trying to omit anything. I was giving you my personal opinion about the comparison between Didi and Lucas. Lucas is getting better. No doubt. He isnt ripping up trees. But as long as he doesnt do stupid things like giving away free kicks which cause us the loss of a goal I will not give him stick.
By the way I thought Hamman was class within the first couple of games he played for us. I know where youre coming from though as some people said the same thing about him to me.
Knobs

[big al]

Ok I'm drunk I'll admit it But we do have too many co*ks on here that know Pis* all about football. Lucas is a star for the future eat Sh1t knob ends

[Sabre]

Ok I'm drunk I'll admit it But we do have too many co*ks on here that know Pis* all about football. Lucas is a star for the future eat Sh1t knob ends

As long as he becomes a star in Liverpool, I'll be happy you are right.

[redbeergoggles]

Lucas has proved the dissenters incorrect by a string of commanding performances in centre mid ,and is now showing the combative qualities that are more akin with Didi Hamann than some would give him credit for ,afterall some fans, and I include some of my mates in that equation ,were simply oblivious to the brilliant Germans contributions ,and this aspect of the game  would often lead to heated debate after the match...

I expect Lucas to become one of them unsung heroes that never gets the plaudits of some ,but they are precisely the players that every team needs ,never missed   until they actually leave the club .....

If Mascherano ups and leaves for pastures new in January, then Lucas will be more than a little relevant in our midfield and probably develop into the mainstay of our team as did Didi ,and these last two games I have seen have provided enough proof to draw the conclusion   he will always give 100% to our cause

A little OTT to be fair
Hamman was class and a commanding, cool and influential player. If Lucas wants to be seen in the same light he must stop giving pathetic free kicks away like he did on Monday.
Not good

Oh he gives away free kicks ,so that's the one predominant reason he's not moving mountains for some posters ,I wasn't sure you see after reading all the other reasons posters didn't rate him ,you remember them don't you fella ? only it seems now after the lads recent performances that the list of his shortcomings is dwindling in respect to his burgeoning plus column .

As for Hamann I mentioned him in the same context of Lucas because he too had his doubters ,too slow , doesn't get forward enough ,I heard them in the Kop a couple of times ,you see even though to some fans Didi was the catalyst for  Liverpool's winning  performance , to some fans he remained invisible ... and that Sir Roggers was my point only you seem to have omitted that quite conveniently from your reply .... 

Hmmm
I wasnt conveniently trying to omit anything. I was giving you my personal opinion about the comparison between Didi and Lucas. Lucas is getting better. No doubt. He isnt ripping up trees. But as long as he doesnt do stupid things like giving away free kicks which cause us the loss of a goal I will not give him stick.
By the way I thought Hamman was class within the first couple of games he played for us. I know where youre coming from though as some people said the same thing about him to me.
Knobs

Fair enough fella ,but you will always get the Knobs who sit in the Kop and fail to grasp which players are fundamental to the nucleus of the team ,its another reason why I stopped attending this year ,just too many fans with little or no patience ,I sat in the Kop for many years and its never been as prevalent as it is now 

[Judge]

PUT THIS RARE FOOTAGE IN YER SCRAPBOOK - LUCAS SCORING A GOAL

[7_Kewell]

PUT THIS RARE FOOTAGE IN YER SCRAPBOOK - LUCAS SCORING A GOAL

it's amazing what they can do with computer special affects these days 

[oakton]

That's why Lucas kept on getting to play because Rafa reckons he's got a £14 million midfielder.

[teamleader1]

Lucas has proved the dissenters incorrect by a string of commanding performances in centre mid ,and is now showing the combative qualities that are more akin with Didi Hamann than some would give him credit for ,afterall some fans, and I include some of my mates in that equation ,were simply oblivious to the brilliant Germans contributions ,and this aspect of the game  would often lead to heated debate after the match...

I expect Lucas to become one of them unsung heroes that never gets the plaudits of some ,but they are precisely the players that every team needs ,never missed   until they actually leave the club .....

If Mascherano ups and leaves for pastures new in January, then Lucas will be more than a little relevant in our midfield and probably develop into the mainstay of our team as did Didi ,and these last two games I have seen have provided enough proof to draw the conclusion   he will always give 100% to our cause

Just don't get that!

I will give him his due, he gives a 100% and at times looks good against the lesser teams, but he is slow when in possession, plays backward or sideways 90% of the time and constantly gives away stupid free-kicks in dangerous positions.
Didi was an all around better player for me
I don't see the need for 2 defensive MFs, I would bench him and drop SG back in ASAP, Aquilani could play just behind Torres up front.
Lucas is just not good enough for LFC!

[bigmick]

Lucas isn't in the same class as Hamman was, come on guys lets be serious FFS

[Fowler_E7]

Lucas isn't in the same class as Hamman was, come on guys lets be serious FFS

no not yet he isnt, but give him time, hes still young, has potentiol, once he settles in the prem....... bla bla bla bla 

[redbeergoggles]

Lucas has proved the dissenters incorrect by a string of commanding performances in centre mid ,and is now showing the combative qualities that are more akin with Didi Hamann than some would give him credit for ,afterall some fans, and I include some of my mates in that equation ,were simply oblivious to the brilliant Germans contributions ,and this aspect of the game  would often lead to heated debate after the match...

I expect Lucas to become one of them unsung heroes that never gets the plaudits of some ,but they are precisely the players that every team needs ,never missed   until they actually leave the club .....

If Mascherano ups and leaves for pastures new in January, then Lucas will be more than a little relevant in our midfield and probably develop into the mainstay of our team as did Didi ,and these last two games I have seen have provided enough proof to draw the conclusion   he will always give 100% to our cause

A little OTT to be fair
Hamman was class and a commanding, cool and influential player. If Lucas wants to be seen in the same light he must stop giving pathetic free kicks away like he did on Monday.
Not good

Oh he gives away free kicks ,so that's the one predominant reason he's not moving mountains for some posters ,I wasn't sure you see after reading all the other reasons posters didn't rate him ,you remember them don't you fella ? only it seems now after the lads recent performances that the list of his shortcomings is dwindling in respect to his burgeoning plus column .

As for Hamann I mentioned him in the same context of Lucas because he too had his doubters ,too slow , doesn't get forward enough ,I heard them in the Kop a couple of times ,you see even though to some fans Didi was the catalyst for  Liverpool's winning  performance , to some fans he remained invisible ... and that Sir Roggers was my point only you seem to have omitted that quite conveniently from your reply .... 

mate, most of the time i totally agree with you- as your posts are a joy to read, but i have to say that i don't know why Lucas is being given so much time & thought on this forum, cause yes i'm one of if not his biggest critic - why? cause if alonso wasn't sold, an i still say to this day (tw1t & tw@t) forced the sale through! then Lucas wouldn't have even been thought of as a first team choice.

so with SG being injured he was all of a sudden a first team choice- i thought ok lad go on prove me an the doubters wrong- sorry for me he didn't grasp that oppo with both hands, all was claer he didn't do that, as i said in a previous post i would be the fist to hold my hand up an say i'm wrong- come on Lucas ,please change a game, grab it by the scuff of it's neck- please mate score a goal to make me eat my words etc etc.

sorry mate but i'm still waiting!  to give him any credit he has done alright in some games, that's not Raffa's fault for keeping faith with him,it's not down to tactics from Raffa cause Lucas only has one posisition he can play. it's down to the player himself, why do i say that- simple- look back at didi when he came on at half time in istanbul, an i mean when he first came onto the pitch ! his fist clenching, his attitude an enthusiasm was as infectius wasn't it! so much so that the captain continued that on etc etc.

to mention Lucas in the same breth as didi in what ever capacity for me is a million miles away in alround appitite for the game & the club, cause all the times i was in the kop when didi played for us i heard nothing but praise an admiration for the man!

Lucas has a long, long way to go before that happens cause his attitude isn't in the same league as didi's imho.

I too was in the Kop Red and I heard the contrary ,listen Red the Kop used to be the home for knowledgeable banter and the bastion for intelligent fans ,now its sprinkled with bitter twisted impatient dolts and the real fans are suffering ,Im one person who has a habit of saying how I feel ,so I was forever turning around and confronting these ignorant b@stards .. 30 yrs going the match mate and I have never suffered the company of so many no nothing d*cks ...

I am not saying Lucas is Didi ,I am simply saying his status among some fans is not dissimilar to Didi's ....oh and btw I count you as one of the posters who are as passionate in your adoration of Liverpool  as me fella ....

[bunglemark2]

Let's face it, he can't get any worse...he HAS to get better

[bigmick]

People can delude themselves as much as they like, whether the subject matter is Kuyt, Lucas, N'Gog, the manager, Skrtel or whoever else, the fact remains we are not winning many football matches for fairly obvious reasons. Yes it's true to say it would be unfair to lump all the blame or all the reasons onto one thing, but there are contributary factors which you don't need a coaching badge to spot.

As far as Lucas is concerned, he's a tidy enough kind of player but the partnertship with him and Masherano offers precisely zero from a creative viewpoint. On Saturday he quite literally went whole segments of the game without getting a touch of the ball, even his trademark five yards square passes were noticeable by their absence. Meanwhile Man City had De Jong who was dfoing the Masherano role very ably, Barry who despite looking only half fit was prompting with efficiency, and Ireland who I thought was absolutely excellent on the day, probably the best player on view from either team.

If you have a central midfield duo who never score a goal and never make a goal then you are up against it. If they also as they did on Saturday in Lucas's case go to sleep and allow one of the opposition midfielders to run past them and score, then you have a mountain to climb. We desperately need Aquilani to get fit and stay fit, and it would be a great help if he's quite good as well.