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by **devaney** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:27 am

bavlondon wrote:
devaney wrote:
DrPepe wrote:So the point is rafa should spend wiser and finish 5th 7th 13th like moyes?

No the point is what could have Moyes done with the money Rafa has wasted, you fkg sarcastic muppet - sorry there was no need for that!

Rafa has made good bargain signings too. Agger is one of the best in the PL on his day no doubt, he was coveted by AC Milan and cost what 5Mil?

He bought Alonso for only 10Mil and then sold him for more than 3 times that price.

He bought Fernando Torres who in his position is one of the best strikers in the world for a sum would probably be 3 times that amount by todays stupid standards. Even still 20mil was a bargain for him.

Reina one of top 3 keepers in the world he got for relativley cheap as well when you consider how much Buffon moved for a few years ago.

So suddenly Alonso becomes a bargain buy! Bought for £10.7m. Rafa was prepared to sell him last year for close to £17m which would have been ok but certainly not what you would call a bargain buy. And because LFC fkd about with the deal and Barry we end up keeping Alonso through no fault of Rafa's highly questionable man management skills and Alonso with a point to prove has an absolutely stand out season. Alonso fed up with Rafa still wants to go and ok we do all right but please don't give Benitez too much credit for that. And to compound matters he spends £20m of the £30m on Aquilani who at best will only be fit if we are very lucky for 75% of the season and insists that Lucas can replace Alonso!

As for Torres - great buy - fabulous player - but can you really regard a player that cost between £20m and £26m a bargain?

That leaves Agger and Rierra. Rierra is undoubtedly a success story but Agger whilst he can be very good is both injury prone and seems to have some off the field problems.

by **GYBS** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:41 pm

devaney wrote:Ok Ferguson had a nucleus in place but a lot of work was still required and money needed to be spent. How do you think Rafa would go about replacing Gerrard and let's face it with Rafa's awful man management skills he nearly lost him not once but twice! Perhaps he would use Lucas once Aquilani is eventually fit! Ferguson and I hate to fkg admit it spent less and he didn't buy some of the absolute wasters that Rafa put on the books. And I am sorry but if you can't see that then it is you that is deluded!

Im sorry but i have to pull you up on one point - Rafas man management skills nearly lost us gerrard twice ? please explain as the first time was when Rafa arrived and it was in fact Rafa who went a long way to persuading Gerrard to stay and the second time was the whole contract affair which was down to parry and the owner and was the first step towards Rafa and parry falling out - the fact parry nearly lost us gerrard .

by **bigmick** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:49 pm

GYBS wrote:the fact parry nearly lost us gerrard .

Fecking Parry :angry:

by **GYBS** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:50 pm

by **bigmick** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:01 pm

Thanks God Parry's gone. When he wasn't signing players which Rafa knew nothing about, he was doing his best to turf our captain out of the door. AND it's his fault we didn't get zillionaire owners, and Danny Alves. Fecking Parry :angry:

by **tubby** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:13 pm

GYBS wrote:
devaney wrote:Ok Ferguson had a nucleus in place but a lot of work was still required and money needed to be spent. How do you think Rafa would go about replacing Gerrard and let's face it with Rafa's awful man management skills he nearly lost him not once but twice! Perhaps he would use Lucas once Aquilani is eventually fit! Ferguson and I hate to fkg admit it spent less and he didn't buy some of the absolute wasters that Rafa put on the books. And I am sorry but if you can't see that then it is you that is deluded!

Im sorry but i have to pull you up on one point - Rafas man management skills nearly lost us gerrard twice ? please explain as the first time was when Rafa arrived and it was in fact Rafa who went a long way to persuading Gerrard to stay and the second time was the whole contract affair which was down to parry and the owner and was the first step towards Rafa and parry falling out - the fact parry nearly lost us gerrard .

Exactly. And lest we forget had Rafa not even taken the Liverpool job i doubt we would have even managed to get players such as Alonso, Reina and Torres.

Rafa is not an arm around the shoulder type manager generally but it's not like his methods have never worked out. He did after all win La Liga twice as well as European cup with us in his first year here.

by **bigmick** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:19 pm

bavlondon wrote:He did after all win La Liga twice as well as European cup with us in his first year here.

And he won the FA Cup in the following season :buttrock

. Admittedly things have gone a bit quiet on the old trophy winning front since then, but its the owners fault, and fecking Parry :angry:

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by **tubby** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:28 pm

I can't tell whether you are being sarcastic or serious.

by **GYBS** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:45 pm

He is just making a joke about my point - i mentioned parry about gerrards contract and it gets dragged down to the normal levels of parry signing players and everything being blamed on parry etc etc blah blah

by **tonyeh** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:59 pm

bigmick wrote:Thanks God Parry's gone. When he wasn't signing players which Rafa knew nothing about, he was doing his best to turf our captain out of the door. AND it's his fault we didn't get zillionaire owners, and Danny Alves. Fecking Parry

I swear, with the amount of unsubstantiated claims against Parry, I almost feel sorry for him sometimes.

:oh:

by **devaney** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:26 pm

GYBS wrote:He is just making a joke about my point - i mentioned parry about gerrards contract and it gets dragged down to the normal levels of parry signing players and everything being blamed on parry etc etc blah blah

If you don't think that Benitez was partly responsible for Gerrardgate number two then I feel sorry for you. Parry and Benitez probably didn't persuade Gerrard to stay - his family more than likely did! Rafa's man management skills were there for all to witness after we won the CL. He made Gerrard feel unwanted - Gerrard's words not mine! As for Gerrardgate number one Rafa was there but he was more intent on selling Owen for fk all to Real Madrid! Or was that Parry as well!

by **aCe'** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:53 pm

bavlondon wrote:And lest we forget had Rafa not even taken the Liverpool job i doubt we would have even managed to get players such as Alonso, Reina and Torres.

Why not ?

Top club + money available, even Pulis would have been able to bring in quality players to the side...

Id even go as far as saying that if we had someone whos better in the transfer market we would have had a much better squad than we do now given the money we spent....

by **tubby** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:10 pm

aCe' wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And lest we forget had Rafa not even taken the Liverpool job i doubt we would have even managed to get players such as Alonso, Reina and Torres.

Why not ?

Top club + money available, even Pulis would have been able to bring in quality players to the side...

Id even go as far as saying that if we had someone whos better in the transfer market we would have had a much better squad than we do now given the money we spent....

Well I can't say in the case of Alonso but definatley in the case of Pepe he said he moved here to work with Rafa. And Torres said recently also he only came here because Rafa called him ect....

In theory we could have got other players just as good but it's too easy to talk about signings in hindsight or in theory.

by **aCe'** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:33 pm

bavlondon wrote:
aCe' wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And lest we forget had Rafa not even taken the Liverpool job i doubt we would have even managed to get players such as Alonso, Reina and Torres.

Why not ?

Top club + money available, even Pulis would have been able to bring in quality players to the side...

Id even go as far as saying that if we had someone whos better in the transfer market we would have had a much better squad than we do now given the money we spent....

Well I can't say in the case of Alonso but definatley in the case of Pepe he said he moved here to work with Rafa. And Torres said recently also he only came here because Rafa called him ect....

In theory we could have got other players just as good but it's too easy to talk about signings in hindsight or in theory.

okkay man....

by **maguskwt** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:37 pm

aCe' wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And lest we forget had Rafa not even taken the Liverpool job i doubt we would have even managed to get players such as Alonso, Reina and Torres.

Why not ?

Top club + money available, even Pulis would have been able to bring in quality players to the side...

Id even go as far as saying that if we had someone whos better in the transfer market we would have had a much better squad than we do now given the money we spent....

so how come during Houllier's reign we were never able to sign world class internationals in the class of alonso, torres and reina? Rafa put Liverpool back on the map in Europe by winning the CL in his first year. This has partly lured players like reina, torres, reira. etc. CL is a huge draw for players and the fact that we almost always do well year in year out just helps that much...

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