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[red_guy]

I'm afraid we can't keep up with last season's performances. Yes, we can get back on track but for how long can we sustain a good performances and and keep winning? ...and we all know draws cost us a lot. yes, we have no fund to fill the attacking department with one or 2 more quality players bcos the money's gone to those fecking yank's loan payment. The only way that i can see in order to at least challenge for the title is the ability (financially) to get 1-2 more quality attacking players. If no is the answer, then let's just hope for the best and pray that we may qualify for Europe next season.

[GYBS]

Thought i would bump this to the top so all those newbies who are very anti rafa can add their dribbles into here .

[Sir Roger]

Thought i would bump this to the top so all those newbies who are very anti rafa can add their dribbles into here .

Is it ok if people question what he is doing without being classed as anti-Rafa?

[bigmick]

I think most people are more anti losing than they are "anti Rafa", but maybe that's just me. For my part, I'm more anti the central midfield being completely inept than I am anti Lucas, just like I'm more anti right midfielders who were awful against Stoke than I am anti-Kuyt, but labels make it easier for people to understand I guess.

[redbeergoggles]

I think most people are more anti losing than they are "anti Rafa", but maybe that's just me. For my part, I'm more anti the central midfield being completely inept than I am anti Lucas, just like I'm more anti right midfielders who were awful against Stoke than I am anti-Kuyt, but labels make it easier for people to understand I guess.

Well said 

[JoeTerp]

Thought i would bump this to the top so all those newbies who are very anti rafa can add their dribbles into here .

Is it ok if people question what he is doing without being classed as anti-Rafa?

its one thing to question some things, its another to have every post only talk about how bad a manager rafa is.

[Reg]

I think Rafa deserves a lot of respect because any other manager would have left already with the two running the club.

Rafa has spent 17.5 Million on Johnson, £20 Million on Aquilani and 2 Million on the greek guy. He has brought in around £35 Million from other sales.

Do the Maths, Rafa really hasnt taken a lot out of the budget yet the owners are still restricting him.

The only thing that i cant get my head around is why Rafa hasn't sold Lucas and Babel or at least one of the two.

Cos he knows if he sold them he still wouldn't get any money !!!!!

He then would have hardly no first team attacking options. 

Exactly.  As much as most of us would like to see us sell Babel, Dossena, Lucas and Voronin there's not much we can do if there's no interested buyers.  We really have no choice but to hold onto them and hope they make positive contributions this season.  So far, though, the signs are not especially promising for anyone of them.

Hey, Dossena and Voronin were effectively out of the door with numbers agreed but Rafa called both deals off - backs up what you said - sell at your peril because you wont replace them.

Jeez they´ll be calling lads down off the Kop to play next season.

[devaney]

I think we need to hope fairy godmother pops down and gives us 40 mil to buy a striker and winger.

If not I can't see us adding any real tallent to first team.

Question for you all real big one mind !!!!

If only way you could get rid of owners was to lose Rafa would you take that ! 

Only if it meant that Kenright bought us and Moyes became the manager!

On a serious note I'm at the stage when I really don't give a fk who goes first. If Kewell hadn't gone off injured early in the CL final and we had lost would Rafa still be the manager? His record is just not that good. And if he wins nothing again this season for the fourth year in succession he really should go. Apart from a handful of players who has he bought in the last 5 years that are worthy of note. What is coming through from the academy?  I admit I'm not too good in that area so I honestly don't know. I just get the impression that nothing is really coming through. Kelly and Spearing look as if they have potential but are there many others?

[Ciggy]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

[tubby]

Not if the owners have changed by then he won't.

[devaney]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

[bigmick]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

It may be a fact that rafa has spent more than Ferguson (and it may not, feck knows) but I think it's only fair to point out that them selling Ronaldo for 80 million quid is going to distort the old numbers for a bit.

[tubby]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

That's becasue at that time Fegie had half his squad in place you numpty. Did Rafa? How many from that squad are left today? 1 + 1 = 2 comprende?? que?

[bigmick]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

That's becasue at that time Fegie had half his squad in place you numpty. Did Rafa? How many from that squad are left today? 1 + 1 = 2 comprende?? que?

Just out of interest, which regular members of the first team currently did Ferguson have available when rafa came in? I'm guessing Ferdinand was already there, Giggs obviously. I suppose Darren Fletcher was too and I'll give you him as a first team member, although he kind of came out of the youth ranks so I'm not sure he counts but anyway.

There's probably others I don't know. Just want to make sure like since the bloke is getting called a numpty.

[Ciggy]

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out

And you are? I dont believe we have been aquainted