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[FuzzyBear]

How would that work? Rafa is a great manager, one of the best in the world. It's a tough one mate and I don't really want to say yes to be honest. But I do want the current owners out.

I can name six who are better.

[tubby]

Go on then.....

[GYBS]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

That's becasue at that time Fegie had half his squad in place you numpty. Did Rafa? How many from that squad are left today? 1 + 1 = 2 comprende?? que?

Just out of interest, which regular members of the first team currently did Ferguson have available when rafa came in? I'm guessing Ferdinand was already there, Giggs obviously. I suppose Darren Fletcher was too and I'll give you him as a first team member, although he kind of came out of the youth ranks so I'm not sure he counts but anyway.

There's probably others I don't know. Just want to make sure like since the bloke is getting called a numpty.

At a guess taggert has brought in

Van Der Sar
Evra
Vidic
Rafael and Fabio
Carrick
Hargreaves
Nani
Berbatov
Tevez

with players like Ronaldo,Scholes,Rooney etc there when Rafa arrived

[account deleted by request]

Man Utd 2003/2004 player

P Bardsley
D Bellion
W Brown
N Butt
R Carroll
D David Jones
E Djemba-Djemba
C Eagles
R Ferdinand
D Fletcher
D Forlan
Q Fortune
R Giggs
T Howard
E Johnson
R Keane
Kleberson
M Lynch
D Nardiello
G Neville
P Neville
J O'Shea
D Pugh
K Richardson
C Ronaldo
L Saha
P Scholes
M Silvestre
O Solskjaer
J Spector
P Tierney
B Williams
N Wood
R van Nistelrooy

[heimdall]

Man Utd 2003/2004 player

P Bardsley
D Bellion
W Brown
N Butt
R Carroll
D David Jones
E Djemba-Djemba
C Eagles
R Ferdinand
D Fletcher
D Forlan
Q Fortune
R Giggs
T Howard
E Johnson
R Keane
Kleberson
M Lynch
D Nardiello
G Neville
P Neville
J O'Shea
D Pugh
K Richardson
C Ronaldo
L Saha
P Scholes
M Silvestre
O Solskjaer
J Spector
P Tierney
B Williams
N Wood
R van Nistelrooy

so what's that about 4-5 first teamers still around if I'm kind and include Scholes and Giigs. Not as much as us but still quite an extensive rebuilding.

[aCe']

hmmmm... pretty interesting now isnt it...

[maguskwt]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

so what has Wenger achieved?

   

[tubby]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

so what has Wenger achieved?

   

Speaking of Wenger nice to see he finally admitted to sometimes lying when he says "I didnt see that". He can't use that one this season now if things go tits up for them. 

[account deleted by request]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

so what has Wenger achieved?

   

He is the ONLY manager that has managed to keep his team in the top 4 while producing a positive transfer balance over the last 5 years while at the same time rebuilding his team.

I would consider that an achievement.

[devaney]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

That's becasue at that time Fegie had half his squad in place you numpty. Did Rafa? How many from that squad are left today? 1 + 1 = 2 comprende?? que?

Your utterly stupid assumptions about Ferguson's team when Rafa arrived appear to have been well and truly castigated by other members of the forum without me having to elaborate! He also lost the equivalent of Gerrard when he had to replace Keane.  And what part of Rafa played and won the CL final with 7 members of the team he inherited didn't you understand - you NUMPTY!!! nonsense plus nonsense equals shi.te - comprende! LOL

Bigmick - I purposely did not include Ferguson's transfer activity for 2009 because the £80m for Ronaldo would make the comparison significantly worse. During 2004/2008 Rafa spent over £25m on average per seaso. Ferguson spent slightly less. Wenger spent nearer £5m per season during the same period.

Ciggy - At least you didn't mention the owners in one post - it's a start!

[LFC2007]

04/05 season

Howard

Neville
Ferdinand
Silvestre/Brown
Heinze

Ronaldo
Scholes
Keane
Giggs

Van Nistelrooy
Rooney/Saha

Much better team than ours, sadly, and we certainly couldn't have afforded to head into that season by forking out £30m on one player in Rooney.

[tubby]

If the Rafa outers think that Jose will be waltzing into Rafa''s job or anyone else of that calibre think again.

For starters Jose would tell the owners to fuck rar off with their measily transfer budget, and the only manager coming into replace Rafa would be a yes man that can punch above his weight.

Ciggy - your fkg drum is worn out - it is not just the owners or the measly transfer budget, as you so incorrectly call it. During 2004/2008 LFC's transfer spend equalled any PL team apart from Chelsea. Rafa actually spent more than Ferguson during that time - FACT! No doubt you will say that Rafa needed even more money because he took over a poor squad. Well 7 of that squad won the CL final! Just look at what Wenger has achieved with a budget that is less than Everton's. Time to look elsewhere Ciggy and not just the owners because frankly that is just getting boring!

That's becasue at that time Fegie had half his squad in place you numpty. Did Rafa? How many from that squad are left today? 1 + 1 = 2 comprende?? que?

Your utterly stupid assumptions about Ferguson's team when Rafa arrived appear to have been well and truly castigated by other members of the forum without me having to elaborate! He also lost the equivalent of Gerrard when he had to replace Keane.  And what part of Rafa played and won the CL final with 7 members of the team he inherited didn't you understand - you NUMPTY!!! nonsense plus nonsense equals shi.te - comprende! LOL

Bigmick - I purposely did not include Ferguson's transfer activity for 2009 because the £80m for Ronaldo would make the comparison significantly worse. During 2004/2008 Rafa spent over £25m on average per seaso. Ferguson spent slightly less. Wenger spent nearer £5m per season during the same period.

Ciggy - At least you didn't mention the owners in one post - it's a start!

Look at the above post

Neville
Ferdinand
Brown
Scholes
Giggs
Rooney

Does that look like a team that had to completley rebuild? THey had the foundations there and had already spent big. Our annual budget is what they can spend on 1 player and still buy others if need be. Get a grip and stop being so deluded.

And if you are insinuating that our team then was so good why did we finish so far behind Chelsea that season? Infact we didn't even finish 4th so I don't see your point. Yes we won in Europe but a cup knockout comp is different to a sustained league challange over a season. Stop being a .

[devaney]

Ok Ferguson had a nucleus in place but a lot of work was still required and money needed to be spent. How do you think Rafa would go about replacing Gerrard and let's face it with Rafa's awful man management skills he nearly lost him not once but twice! Perhaps he would use Lucas once Aquilani is eventually fit! Ferguson and I hate to fkg admit it spent less and he didn't buy some of the absolute wasters that Rafa put on the books. And I am sorry but if you can't see that then it is you that is deluded!

[tubby]

What you have to remember is when you have less to spend per player there is a greater chance the player will be no good. If we got the 12Mil we were quoted when we sounded out Vidic we would have gotten him but we only had under 6 so we went for Agger. We needed 13Mil for Simao but instead we got Pennant for 7Mil. And so on...

Ferguson is able to spend premiums per position hence ensuring he is bringing in quality. But of course I admit Rafa has made bad signings. Im not disputing that.

The time has been and gone when Fergie was spending twice the amount we were net and he is able to reap those rewards now. Whether Rafa will last long enough for us to be able to potentially say the same things about 4 years or so from now who knows. I doubt it given todays climate.

[sixbuster]

What you have to remember is when you have less to spend per player there is a greater chance the player will be no good. If we got the 12Mil we were quoted when we sounded out Vidic we would have gotten him but we only had under 6 so we went for Agger. We needed 13Mil for Simao but instead we got Pennant for 7Mil. And so on...

Ferguson is able to spend premiums per position hence ensuring he is bringing in quality. But of course I admit Rafa has made bad signings. Im not disputing that.

The time has been and gone when Fergie was spending twice the amount we were net and he is able to reap those rewards now. Whether Rafa will last long enough for us to be able to potentially say the same things about 4 years or so from now who knows. I doubt it given todays climate.

I agree, a good post. Factual, end of story, the scums can afford to pay premium prices for players as Arsenal do for the younger up and coming ones. Slight bit different topic, just compare squads, tonight Arsenal brought on Arshavin and Wilkshire as subs with Fabregas not starting. Our squad is simply not good enough