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Owzat wrote:

Dundalk wrote:Before everyone starts on Lucas, its not as if he meant to score the own goal and the rest of the team have been shite so far in the first half, so lets not make him the scapegoat again yeah?

I think it's more a case of people not stopping on Lucas as they've been on his case since second one let alone day one.

He's a decent player, but not going to single-handedly win the game. Liverpool lost because the TEAM didn't play well, not because "Lucas is sh1te". There were many supposedly better players who gave away free-kicks, corners and most importantly possession while doing nothing when we were in possession.

Or put another way, who deserves more criticism - Lucas for his og or Gerrard for his stupid, senseless foul that sealed an away win for the villans? Gerrard's foul undoubtedly, the circumstances as well as the fact that he is cult hero and therefore more is expected. There are some players who simply won't be blamed, there is also the manager who doesn't get blame as it is often shifted on the owners. Did the owners force Rafa to spend £5m on Lucas..................?

Fauxy wrote:Although I dont like Babel, there is a difference between them being that Babel has shown us some signs of brilliance, the goal against Arsenal in the 2007 champions league comes to mind. Yes it was a long time ago but it could justify holding onto him. Lucas has never done anything like that.

bunglemark2 wrote:

Fauxy wrote:Although I dont like Babel, there is a difference between them being that Babel has shown us some signs of brilliance, the goal against Arsenal in the 2007 champions league comes to mind. Yes it was a long time ago but it could justify holding onto him. Lucas has never done anything like that.

Photos of the Voronator and his missus walking down the street, her looking like a modern day Beth from Corrie in a leopard skin tracksuit have given us a laugh, but that doesn't justify holding onto him, does it ?
Degen, well he has given us hours of discussions centred on "will he / won't he" ever kick a ball in anger for the first team, but that doesn't justify holding onto him.
Babel, well, there's NO justification for holding onto him !!

Owzat wrote:

Dundalk wrote:Before everyone starts on Lucas, its not as if he meant to score the own goal and the rest of the team have been shite so far in the first half, so lets not make him the scapegoat again yeah?

I think it's more a case of people not stopping on Lucas as they've been on his case since second one let alone day one.

He's a decent player, but not going to single-handedly win the game. Liverpool lost because the TEAM didn't play well, not because "Lucas is sh1te". There were many supposedly better players who gave away free-kicks, corners and most importantly possession while doing nothing when we were in possession.

Or put another way, who deserves more criticism - Lucas for his og or Gerrard for his stupid, senseless foul that sealed an away win for the villans? Gerrard's foul undoubtedly, the circumstances as well as the fact that he is cult hero and therefore more is expected. There are some players who simply won't be blamed, there is also the manager who doesn't get blame as it is often shifted on the owners. Did the owners force Rafa to spend £5m on Lucas..................?

devaney wrote:

Owzat wrote:

Dundalk wrote:Before everyone starts on Lucas, its not as if he meant to score the own goal and the rest of the team have been shite so far in the first half, so lets not make him the scapegoat again yeah?

I think it's more a case of people not stopping on Lucas as they've been on his case since second one let alone day one.

He's a decent player, but not going to single-handedly win the game. Liverpool lost because the TEAM didn't play well, not because "Lucas is sh1te". There were many supposedly better players who gave away free-kicks, corners and most importantly possession while doing nothing when we were in possession.

Or put another way, who deserves more criticism - Lucas for his og or Gerrard for his stupid, senseless foul that sealed an away win for the villans? Gerrard's foul undoubtedly, the circumstances as well as the fact that he is cult hero and therefore more is expected. There are some players who simply won't be blamed, there is also the manager who doesn't get blame as it is often shifted on the owners. Did the owners force Rafa to spend £5m on Lucas..................?

Good post Owzat.

I have been advocating that we get off Lucas's back and give him a chance but after last nights performance he doesn't help himself. Owzat you forgot to mention that Lucas gave away the needless free kick that lead to his own goal. Ffs I dispair! I hope Aquilani is a miracle worker because we could be a dozen points off the pace by the time he is fit!

Thought the team looked down in the last 20 minutes - what's going on?

Fauxy wrote:

devaney wrote:

Owzat wrote:

Dundalk wrote:Before everyone starts on Lucas, its not as if he meant to score the own goal and the rest of the team have been shite so far in the first half, so lets not make him the scapegoat again yeah?

I think it's more a case of people not stopping on Lucas as they've been on his case since second one let alone day one.

He's a decent player, but not going to single-handedly win the game. Liverpool lost because the TEAM didn't play well, not because "Lucas is sh1te". There were many supposedly better players who gave away free-kicks, corners and most importantly possession while doing nothing when we were in possession.

Or put another way, who deserves more criticism - Lucas for his og or Gerrard for his stupid, senseless foul that sealed an away win for the villans? Gerrard's foul undoubtedly, the circumstances as well as the fact that he is cult hero and therefore more is expected. There are some players who simply won't be blamed, there is also the manager who doesn't get blame as it is often shifted on the owners. Did the owners force Rafa to spend £5m on Lucas..................?

Good post Owzat.

I have been advocating that we get off Lucas's back and give him a chance but after last nights performance he doesn't help himself. Owzat you forgot to mention that Lucas gave away the needless free kick that lead to his own goal. Ffs I dispair! I hope Aquilani is a miracle worker because we could be a dozen points off the pace by the time he is fit!

Thought the team looked down in the last 20 minutes - what's going on?

We have given Lucas his chance over the last 2 or 3 years, If I was Rafa I would tell him his time was up.

Ciggy wrote:Lucas was not to blame for the defeat against Spurs or against Villa but just because he is not to blame doesn't mean he is anywhere near good enough to play in our starting 11 either.

I do not see what Rafa see's in him, he has shipped out players who have performed better than him.

Our system worked great with Xabi & masch that system has been broken up now with Xabi's departure , its time for Rafa to get back to the drawing board and change his tactics with this two holding midfielders malarky. Because with Skyrtel, Carra, Masch & Lucas none of them offer any service to Torres or Gerrard

Oh my god, I actually agree with you about something Ciggy.   

Lucas is quite simply not good enough for LFC, he doesn't fit into our system of playing. We have to drop Stevie back into midfield and play either Bennayoun or Babel in Stevie's role otherwsie we are in big big trouble this season.

heimdall wrote:Oh my god, I actually agree with you about something Ciggy.   

Nigel reo Cocker looked world class against him (but our whole team stunk the joint out against Villa, so I am not just pointing the finger at Lucas), there are a number of midfielders in the prem that we should have bought to replace Lucas or swapped him for a midfielder from abroad.

The lad has massive shoes to fill with the Alonso exit and its added pressure on the kid he was already the scapegoat, and people will naturally blame him if things arnt going good for us.

He would probably be brilliant abroad, but he offers nothing to our attack or defence, and it would be better all round for him and us if he looked for pastures new.

I do not dislike the kid and I feel arl @rse commenting on him, but he is not good enough to be playing in one of the most important rolls in our team, but he is not alone there are a few others that shouldnt be no where near LFC and its not their faults they are here either.

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