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by **aCe'** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:25 am

We'll see how Etoo doesn next season with Inter and Ibrahimovic with Barcelona.. then we'll decide...
About the football manager thing, i think you're fcking out of ur mind LFC2007.... would have thought the fact that they paid the equivalent of 60-70mill for Ibrahimovic would convince some that he isnt half as bad as they make him out to be but anyways... like i said if you dont watch enough of the guy you wouldnt know... its true that in most CL games against big sides he doesnt show his best but it has more to do with Inters lack of attacking talent besides him than him being incompetent... Anyways, as i said with a Barcelona side im sure he wont take long to prove to be one of the best forwards in world football if not the best... Im not saying Etoo didnt do well with Barcelona or anything... on the contrary he was brilliant, but that only goes to prove how highly rated Ibrahimovic is...

anyways im sick of this whole thing we'll get back to this discussion after the two have played a bit with their clubs but it really is laughable to hear those who dont watch the Italian league calling Ibrahimovic an "okay" player...

by **sixbuster** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:19 am

Ibrahimovic is a lazy git. Brilliant business by Mourinho

by **heimdall** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:34 pm

aCe' wrote:We'll see how Etoo doesn next season with Inter and Ibrahimovic with Barcelona.. then we'll decide...
About the football manager thing, i think you're fcking out of ur mind LFC2007.... would have thought the fact that they paid the equivalent of 60-70mill for Ibrahimovic would convince some that he isnt half as bad as they make him out to be but anyways... like i said if you dont watch enough of the guy you wouldnt know... its true that in most CL games against big sides he doesnt show his best but it has more to do with Inters lack of attacking talent besides him than him being incompetent... Anyways, as i said with a Barcelona side im sure he wont take long to prove to be one of the best forwards in world football if not the best... Im not saying Etoo didnt do well with Barcelona or anything... on the contrary he was brilliant, but that only goes to prove how highly rated Ibrahimovic is...

anyways im sick of this whole thing we'll get back to this discussion after the two have played a bit with their clubs but it really is laughable to hear those who dont watch the Italian league calling Ibrahimovic an "okay" player...

What? Do you mean some posters on this forum talk out of their :censored:

and are ignorant, surely not.

by **Kukilon** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:01 pm

aCe' wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:It should be the other way round with that transfer. Inter pay Barca a sum with Ibrahomic as a sweet'ner. He's obviously got quite some quality about him the Swede but the attitude, the work-rate, the desire to be the very best? Not for me, and certainly not ahead of Eto'o.

And, as if needed any confirmation, Pep Guardiola intimated in an interview after the Spurs game they were in Masch, but the 'problem is Benitez wants to keep him'. Didn't sound too optimistic so some good news.

dont think many who actually watch the Italian league & the Spanish league would agree with you there but im not gonna go into it in detail again... safe to say in terms of scoring records they dont come much better than Ibrahimovic... In terms of technical ability, natural talent, strength on the ball...etc he's one of the best around....

fact that most Barcelona fans think that a deal that involved (taking their leading goalscorer in recent times + 40mill Euros + Hleb on loan) is good business for them must be strange as hell to you

If you go to a barca forum they are not very happy about the deal so there you are 100% wrong. I have watched about every game with Zlatan for the last 5 years and he has improved a lot but to trade a player around the same level that works brilliantly in barca + 40 million euro + a loan deal for Hleb is just insane. The only thing that Zlatan is better at is flair. Eto'o is a little bit better than Zlatan and his attitude is not great but it's still miles ahead of Zlatan. Inter made the best deal of the century.

by **heimdall** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:38 pm

Kukilon wrote:
aCe' wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:It should be the other way round with that transfer. Inter pay Barca a sum with Ibrahomic as a sweet'ner. He's obviously got quite some quality about him the Swede but the attitude, the work-rate, the desire to be the very best? Not for me, and certainly not ahead of Eto'o.

And, as if needed any confirmation, Pep Guardiola intimated in an interview after the Spurs game they were in Masch, but the 'problem is Benitez wants to keep him'. Didn't sound too optimistic so some good news.

dont think many who actually watch the Italian league & the Spanish league would agree with you there but im not gonna go into it in detail again... safe to say in terms of scoring records they dont come much better than Ibrahimovic... In terms of technical ability, natural talent, strength on the ball...etc he's one of the best around....

fact that most Barcelona fans think that a deal that involved (taking their leading goalscorer in recent times + 40mill Euros + Hleb on loan) is good business for them must be strange as hell to you

If you go to a barca forum they are not very happy about the deal so there you are 100% wrong. I have watched about every game with Zlatan for the last 5 years and he has improved a lot but to trade a player around the same level that works brilliantly in barca + 40 million euro + a loan deal for Hleb is just insane. The only thing that Zlatan is better at is flair. Eto'o is a little bit better than Zlatan and his attitude is not great but it's still miles ahead of Zlatan. Inter made the best deal of the century.

Nope Zlatan is the emerging super force and Eto is fading star. I actually think both teams got a good deal out of this.

by **tubby** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:46 pm

Should be interesting to see how he fairs in Spain.

by **aCe'** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:11 pm

Kukilon wrote:
aCe' wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:It should be the other way round with that transfer. Inter pay Barca a sum with Ibrahomic as a sweet'ner. He's obviously got quite some quality about him the Swede but the attitude, the work-rate, the desire to be the very best? Not for me, and certainly not ahead of Eto'o.

And, as if needed any confirmation, Pep Guardiola intimated in an interview after the Spurs game they were in Masch, but the 'problem is Benitez wants to keep him'. Didn't sound too optimistic so some good news.

dont think many who actually watch the Italian league & the Spanish league would agree with you there but im not gonna go into it in detail again... safe to say in terms of scoring records they dont come much better than Ibrahimovic... In terms of technical ability, natural talent, strength on the ball...etc he's one of the best around....

fact that most Barcelona fans think that a deal that involved (taking their leading goalscorer in recent times + 40mill Euros + Hleb on loan) is good business for them must be strange as hell to you

If you go to a barca forum they are not very happy about the deal so there you are 100% wrong. I have watched about every game with Zlatan for the last 5 years and he has improved a lot but to trade a player around the same level that works brilliantly in barca + 40 million euro + a loan deal for Hleb is just insane. The only thing that Zlatan is better at is flair. Eto'o is a little bit better than Zlatan and his attitude is not great but it's still miles ahead of Zlatan. Inter made the best deal of the century.

its definitely a good deal for Inter mate... Etoo is a top class player and im sure he'll do well wherever he goes...

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php?t=2330&page=2

this is the first barcelona forum i could find when i googled it and i gotta say they seem pretty fckin happy to be getting ibrahimovic from what i see... many acknowledge the fact that Etoo did alot for Barcelona but cant really find anyone who thinks Etoo is the better player of the 2... surely many were always bound to think that the price was ott but it seems overall theyre pretty excited about things to come....

anyways as i said... we'll see how things turn out then decide on things... :;):

by **tubby** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:17 pm

Good player aside that Ibrahimovich is one greedy :censored:

. I think he will even be earning more than Messi now.

by **tubby** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:24 pm

aCe' wrote:
Kukilon wrote:
aCe' wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:It should be the other way round with that transfer. Inter pay Barca a sum with Ibrahomic as a sweet'ner. He's obviously got quite some quality about him the Swede but the attitude, the work-rate, the desire to be the very best? Not for me, and certainly not ahead of Eto'o.

And, as if needed any confirmation, Pep Guardiola intimated in an interview after the Spurs game they were in Masch, but the 'problem is Benitez wants to keep him'. Didn't sound too optimistic so some good news.

dont think many who actually watch the Italian league & the Spanish league would agree with you there but im not gonna go into it in detail again... safe to say in terms of scoring records they dont come much better than Ibrahimovic... In terms of technical ability, natural talent, strength on the ball...etc he's one of the best around....

fact that most Barcelona fans think that a deal that involved (taking their leading goalscorer in recent times + 40mill Euros + Hleb on loan) is good business for them must be strange as hell to you

If you go to a barca forum they are not very happy about the deal so there you are 100% wrong. I have watched about every game with Zlatan for the last 5 years and he has improved a lot but to trade a player around the same level that works brilliantly in barca + 40 million euro + a loan deal for Hleb is just insane. The only thing that Zlatan is better at is flair. Eto'o is a little bit better than Zlatan and his attitude is not great but it's still miles ahead of Zlatan. Inter made the best deal of the century.

its definitely a good deal for Inter mate... Etoo is a top class player and im sure he'll do well wherever he goes...

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php?t=2330&page=2

this is the first barcelona forum i could find when i googled it and i gotta say they seem pretty fckin happy to be getting ibrahimovic from what i see... many acknowledge the fact that Etoo did alot for Barcelona but cant really find anyone who thinks Etoo is the better player of the 2... surely many were always bound to think that the price was ott but it seems overall theyre pretty excited about things to come....

anyways as i said... we'll see how things turn out then decide on things...

This guys post was funny:

This has put me in a such a bad mood, I'm honestly so ****** off right now, I just cant ****** believe it. Not only are we getting rid of a world class striker, and replacing him with someone worse, we're blowing our ENTIRE transfer budget....on HIM! Goddamit, this is a joke, I just cannot believe we are doing this, so so angry.

Another though was happy to see 'that :censored:

' Etoo leaving.

by **tubby** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:26 pm

But take a look here. That other forum looks like a RAWK style place for Barca fans. Check this thread out....a lot of detailed posts.

http://www.fcbarcelonanews.com/not-so-sweet/#comments

Here is a nice one.

I can understand some of you that claim Ibra is better than Eto’o, but saying the “deal is good” is just madness. The deal is as good as Real’s Kaka and C. Ronaldo deals. In fact, they are far better because both of them are better than Ibra and way more commercial.

Ibra better than Eto’o? OK let’s re-asses:

1. Strikers score goals. The first characteristic by which you compare strikers is the number of goals they’ve scored.
- Ibra never got past 29 goals (all matches!), and in his 10 years as a pro, scored 154 goals in 348 matches.
- Eto’o’s record is 36 goals (all matches), and in his 11 years as a pro, he scored 203 goals in 399 matches.
Winner: Clearly Eto’o, with 0.508 per match vs. 0.442.
2. Style of play. Ibra is tall, good with head, has presence in the box, great stamina (hard to wrestle) and good technique. Eto’o is very fast, agile, has an amazing work rate, always pressuring the defenses (the only striker that defends), averagely good with head and strong.
- Eto’o is already proven, so no need to compare his style with Barca’s.
- Ibra is simply not a Barca-type striker. Where’s the pressure that Eto’o gives to defenders? Where’s the hard-work (anybody who has seen him twice knows he’s lazy)? Are we going to become like Rangers and start playing long balls, totally change our game, because we have a tall guy in the team who needs crosses? He’s too imposing against Barca’s current style. He doesn’t have the speed of Eto’o, he can’t surprise a defender. He drags too much behind because he’s used to play with two strikers. All the people involved with Barca said they won’t change the philosophy, but with Ibra they HAVE TO, because he just doesn’t fit the description (as David Villa would for example). With Henry upfront? I just don’t see his style working. Which of his characteristic will surface? Tell me.
3. Attitude.
- Ibra is probably the most egoistic, narcissistic player in Serie A. Whenever he scores a goal he makes an arrogant gesture, he’s full of himself although he never won anything big. I don’t see him making it twice to a CL final, let alone scoring twice. He’s not that type of character. What’s worse, he’s lazy. When he doesn’t want to, he won’t play and will only roll around in the pitch.
- Eto’o is egoistic as well, but he always translated it into passion, hard work and pressure. You want Eto’o to be angry because that’s when he’s in the best form.
4. Age. Absolutely irrelevant. Ibra is only 7 months younger than Eto’o. There’s no signal that he can improve as a player to overcome Eto’o. He already played for two of the biggest clubs in Italy and he never offered something spectacular. Eto’o’s only big club was Barca and he proved himself.
5. Settling in. Eto’o doesn’t have to, Ibra has to. It’s the most unnecessary risk there is in football.
6. Individual trophies.
- Ibra won Sweden’s Sports Personality of the Year 2007 and Swedish Male Athlete of the Year 2007. Might as well gotten anything from a local newspaper.
- Eto’o won UEFA Champions League Best Forward 2006, African Cup of Nations Top Scorer Of All Times with 16 Goals, Most Goals Scored In History Of Cameroon National Team, FIFA World Player of the Year: Third Place 2005 (way to go!)

I’m still waiting for a constructive rationale why Ibra would be better than Eto’o for Barca. Most of your arguments totally override Barca’s style and therefore its specific requirements. You can’t just put in any striker to do that job, especially one that has only started to score goals recently (and still hasn’t managed to get close to Eto’o’s best). Pep doesn’t give us a good reason either; he has “a feeling”.

Most of you Ibra supporters are under the influence of “transfer mania”, that is fans talking and getting excited more about transfers and changes rather than other ways which can improve the team. One way to divide plastic fans from real ones.

by **Kukilon** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:53 pm

aCe' wrote:
Kukilon wrote:
aCe' wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:It should be the other way round with that transfer. Inter pay Barca a sum with Ibrahomic as a sweet'ner. He's obviously got quite some quality about him the Swede but the attitude, the work-rate, the desire to be the very best? Not for me, and certainly not ahead of Eto'o.

And, as if needed any confirmation, Pep Guardiola intimated in an interview after the Spurs game they were in Masch, but the 'problem is Benitez wants to keep him'. Didn't sound too optimistic so some good news.

dont think many who actually watch the Italian league & the Spanish league would agree with you there but im not gonna go into it in detail again... safe to say in terms of scoring records they dont come much better than Ibrahimovic... In terms of technical ability, natural talent, strength on the ball...etc he's one of the best around....

fact that most Barcelona fans think that a deal that involved (taking their leading goalscorer in recent times + 40mill Euros + Hleb on loan) is good business for them must be strange as hell to you

If you go to a barca forum they are not very happy about the deal so there you are 100% wrong. I have watched about every game with Zlatan for the last 5 years and he has improved a lot but to trade a player around the same level that works brilliantly in barca + 40 million euro + a loan deal for Hleb is just insane. The only thing that Zlatan is better at is flair. Eto'o is a little bit better than Zlatan and his attitude is not great but it's still miles ahead of Zlatan. Inter made the best deal of the century.

its definitely a good deal for Inter mate... Etoo is a top class player and im sure he'll do well wherever he goes...

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php?t=2330&page=2

this is the first barcelona forum i could find when i googled it and i gotta say they seem pretty fckin happy to be getting ibrahimovic from what i see... many acknowledge the fact that Etoo did alot for Barcelona but cant really find anyone who thinks Etoo is the better player of the 2... surely many were always bound to think that the price was ott but it seems overall theyre pretty excited about things to come....

anyways as i said... we'll see how things turn out then decide on things...

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1103594&page=25

Just an example. People think it's quite a crappy deal but thinks that everybody should give Ibra a chance.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:22 am

£30m (or whatever it is), plus Eto'o?

Inter are laughing.

by **pokster** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:45 am

Ibrahimovic will flourish in a team of Barca's capability. When he was at Inter, they relied too much on him. He really is a fantastic player with more dimensions in his play than Etoo. Besides Maicon and Ibrahimovic, there is no other player that i would look at. Unless of course Zanetti was 10 years younger, he is one of my favourite players.

by **Sabre** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:05 am

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php?t=2330&page=2

Fúck me, the Barcelona fans I know used to talk Catala or Spanish the last time I checked

But if it's a fact that Barcelona fans find this one a good deal, then it's may also perfectly be a fact they talk english. :nod

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:50 am

Sabre you reckon they could still come up with the goods to buy Masch? I heard some people saying that is their kitty more or less spent.

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