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by **Sabre** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:48 am

GYBS wrote:I see the positivity is flowing through once again and Rafa already being written off next season . Great work .

You don't even need a dissapointing draw these days.

A late Manc goal will do

by **GYBS** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:49 am

It does seem that way Sabre - Only one point of the top and its all over apparently

by **Owzat** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:51 am

aCe' wrote:
peewee wrote:
Dundalk wrote:But when we were dropping silly points against the likes of Hull and Stoke we were set up more cautious, now we are attacking more and have a nothing to lose mentality, if anything United look the more worried looking team

Its theirs to lose, the pressure is on them

yes mate, and those of us who pointed out our negative play and mind set was costing us points were slated on here. the past few weeks have proven that attacking football wins games, set up to win, dont set up to not lose. But next season we will do exactly the same, we will set up to not lose

which is why...we'll never win the league with Benitez

I'm hoping Rafa has finally worked out that to win you need to win, win and win some more. Now we're in the situation of being close and needing to win every game maybe he's finally worked what some of us knew already - not losing is not good enough for the Premiership

38 Game Top Flight : Wins

Seasons : 26

Champions Won Most Games : 26*
Runners-Up Won Most Games : 4*

*4 times the Champions have won the same number of games as the Runners-Up, never less. Three times the Champions have won most games but lost more than another team (or more), last instance was last season

The last time Champions and Runners-Up finished with the same number of wins was 1997/98, Arsenal won the league by one point - and that also meant they finished with least number of defeats

38 Game Seasons : Lost Least Games*

Champions : 21
Runners-Up : 7
3rd Place : 4
4th Place : 1 (Arsenal 2007/08)
6th Place : 1 (Sheff Utd 1914/15)

*includes equal least games lost, Sheff Utd lost 10 games in 1914/15 as did the teams 2nd and 3rd.

By logic, the more games you win then the less games there are to lose - and teams that win more tend to lose less. But the above two sets of stats show that the team that wins the most games finishes top two, the team that loses the least games doesn't always finish top.

In 2004/05 Chelsea won 29 games, that remains the joint third highest number of wins to win the top flight ever - all other instances of 29 or more wins in a top flight season were achieved in 42 game seasons.

As for my belief that 27 wins is what you need to aim at to mount a serious bid for the title, only one side has won 27 games and not won the league - Leeds Utd in 1970/71 won 27 games in a 42 game season and were Runners-Up to Arsenal who won 29 games. We can only win 26 games, the last time a side won the league with 26 wins was Arsenal's "invincibles" in 2003/04 - Chelsea were 2nd on 24 wins. Only twice has a side finished Champions in a 38 game season with 26 wins - said aforementioned "invincibles" in 2003/04 and Arsenal's previous title in 2001/02

2001/02

01. Arsenal P38 W26 D9 L3 F79 A36 PTS 87
02. Liverpool P38 W24 D8 L6 F67 A30 PTS 80
03. Man Utd P38 W24 D5 L9 F87 A45 PTS 77

by **Owzat** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:54 am

GYBS wrote:It does seem that way Sabre - Only one point of the top and its all over apparently

You're oversimplifying the situation and insulting those of us who realise it isn't that simple. There is a chance we can win, it relies heavily on the mancs dropping points and even without a handful of 1st teamers they still didn't drop points to villa.

And even if they do drop points, doesn't mean to say we won't. It's their's to lose, we cannot influence their results.

by **paddy** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:57 am

Owzat wrote:
GYBS wrote:It does seem that way Sabre - Only one point of the top and its all over apparently

You're oversimplifying the situation and insulting those of us who realise it isn't that simple. There is a chance we can win, it relies heavily on the mancs dropping points and even without a handful of 1st teamers they still didn't drop points to villa.

And even if they do drop points, doesn't mean to say we won't. It's their's to lose, we cannot influence their results.

your right pal
a bollix post tbh but i guess im used to the like off our pal euge
think its the monday morning blues - bit depressed our mucker i think
of course its theirs to lose and people will be a bit deflated after y/day but we are still bang in there

by **GYBS** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:00 am

Football is a simple game and its all about getting goals to get points - at the moment we are one point behind with 7 games to play - thats 21 points up for grab and they have 24 points up for grabs - yes they won yesterday but they were utter sh ite and got damn lucky and that last minute goal just masked how poor they are - they could just as easily go to the next game and be just as poor and we can just as easily carry on our momemtum. We are into april - the final straight of the title run in only one point behind so yes i will be positive and think we can still win the thing until it is impossible for us too - as oppose to writing off our chances.

by **Sabre** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:00 am

Owzat wrote:
GYBS wrote:It does seem that way Sabre - Only one point of the top and its all over apparently

You're oversimplifying the situation and insulting those of us who realise it isn't that simple. There is a chance we can win, it relies heavily on the mancs dropping points and even without a handful of 1st teamers they still didn't drop points to villa.

And even if they do drop points, doesn't mean to say we won't. It's their's to lose, we cannot influence their results.

Can't we?

So did your stats predict the Fulham defeat of Manchester United?

No.

Did that defeat have anything to do with the spanking the previous week?

Most probably. And it probably had also to do with the fact that Manchester felt the pressure on them.

Isn't the joy in celebration of the goal of our players a proof that they believe it's possible? I think yes.

You are the one insulting the possibilities of our team.

The most sad thing is that some people stumble in the same stone not once but twice. They should have learned the lesson that when we were 7 points off the top we weren't out of it. If we weren't out of it then, we're not out of it now. And quite simply I think that if we continue playing this way and Manchester keeps playing with the same doubts, anything can happen.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:14 am

Listen they've conceded 8 in their last 3 games.

We have scored 16 goals conceeded only once and that was a penalty against them kunts.

Do they look like a side that will win their next 8 games? No. Do we look like a side that can win our next 7 games? Fuckin right we do.

Does our manager and players believe we can do it? To right.

Now grow some balls, fasten your seatbelts WE ARE IN A TITLE RACE lots of twists and turns yet to come secure all lose items this is going to be one hell of a ride.

Hold your nerve we are going to do it. Why? because we just will.

Now get behind Rafa and the boys or get off the train if you dont have the bottle for it. :buttrock

Our lads need us more than ever now when did Liverpool fans start being scared? Never, your either with us or your not dont be afraid of the dark, at the end of a storm theres a golden sky for your dreams be tossed and blown WALK FUCKING ON WITH HOPE IN YOUR HEART.

by **tubby** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:14 am

Which is why I am still queitly confident they will drop points. Even if some people think otherwise. I don't blame the ones who think we won't win the league. After all most of the pundits thought we would not beat them, or that they would beat Fulham. Like someone said earlier they were almost beaten by a team we steamrolled and that was at their own ground. They have some tricky away and home fixtures yet so anything can happen.

by **Sabre** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:15 am

Listen they've conceded 8 in their last 3 games.

We have scored 16 goals conceeded only once and that was a penalty against them kunts.

See? Those are good stats. :laugh:

by **GYBS** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:20 am

I understand people thinking we wont win the league this year as it is a long shot and we do need them to still drop points but going by recent form it suggests that it could happen just like recent form suggests we have a chance to win every game - so yes there is still a chance but people writing off rafa saying never will win the league is rubbish when for the first time in how many years ? 19 years is it - we actually have a chance to win it .

by **aCe'** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:21 am

Sabre wrote:
Owzat wrote:
GYBS wrote:It does seem that way Sabre - Only one point of the top and its all over apparently

You're oversimplifying the situation and insulting those of us who realise it isn't that simple. There is a chance we can win, it relies heavily on the mancs dropping points and even without a handful of 1st teamers they still didn't drop points to villa.

And even if they do drop points, doesn't mean to say we won't. It's their's to lose, we cannot influence their results.

Can't we?

So did your stats predict the Fulham defeat of Manchester United?

No.

Did that defeat have anything to do with the spanking the previous week?

Most probably. And it probably had also to do with the fact that Manchester felt the pressure on them.

Isn't the joy in celebration of the goal of our players a proof that they believe it's possible? I think yes.

You are the one insulting the possibilities of our team.

The most sad thing is that some people stumble in the same stone not once but twice. They should have learned the lesson that when we were 7 points off the top we weren't out of it. If we weren't out of it then, we're not out of it now. And quite simply I think that if we continue playing this way and Manchester keeps playing with the same doubts, anything can happen.

come on Sabre now ur just saying what everyone already knows... we know that there IS a possibilty we'd go out and win the fcker.. theres also a possibilty Chelsea would go out and win it... Arsenal fans by the same understanding still believe... it aint over till its over and all the nonsense... no one is saying theres no chance but all thats being said is that its a long shot to say the least and being 1 point behind with an extra game played, 7games to go isnt exactly a situation that breeds much confidence... everyone seems to be talking about manutd dropping points in 2 games... 2games is all it takes and blah blah... well yea mathematically thats probably true... but are we gonna go out and win 7 games in a row... its probably unrealistic to think that (given the opposition and the fact that all the their 'harder' games are at home) the mancs are gonna drop more than 4 or 5 points or so in their remaining fixtures... its probably just about as unrealistic thinking we'll go out and extend our winning streak by a further 7 games (again given the opposition and how we seem to struggle against the smaller sides) ...

all thats being said is that talking up our titles chances to the extent that some are atm is starting to seem rather silly really... we'r not just one point behind... and we dont have westbrom to play for the next 7 fixtures... lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

by **Bam** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:23 am

Hold your nerve we are going to do it. Why? because we just will.

Loved this bit :laugh:

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:28 am

Ciggy wrote:Listen they've conceded 8 in their last 3 games.

We have scored 16 goals conceeded only once and that was a penalty against them kunts.

Do they look like a side that will win their next 8 games? No. Do we look like a side that can win our next 7 games? Fuckin right we do.

Does our manager and players believe we can do it? To right.

Now grow some balls, fasten your seatbelts WE ARE IN A TITLE RACE lots of twists and turns yet to come secure all lose items this is going to be one hell of a ride.

Hold your nerve we are going to do it. Why? because we just will.

Now get behind Rafa and the boys or get off the train if you dont have the bottle for it.
Our lads need us more than ever now when did Liverpool fans start being scared? Never, your either with us or your not dont be afraid of the dark, at the end of a storm theres a golden sky for your dreams be tossed and blown WALK FUCKING ON WITH HOPE IN YOUR HEART.

post of the season! I love your passion :love:

what a woman!

now if I were 20 years older... :laugh:

(only kidding)

by **GYBS** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:29 am

aCe' wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Owzat wrote:
GYBS wrote:It does seem that way Sabre - Only one point of the top and its all over apparently

You're oversimplifying the situation and insulting those of us who realise it isn't that simple. There is a chance we can win, it relies heavily on the mancs dropping points and even without a handful of 1st teamers they still didn't drop points to villa.

And even if they do drop points, doesn't mean to say we won't. It's their's to lose, we cannot influence their results.

Can't we?

So did your stats predict the Fulham defeat of Manchester United?

No.

Did that defeat have anything to do with the spanking the previous week?

Most probably. And it probably had also to do with the fact that Manchester felt the pressure on them.

Isn't the joy in celebration of the goal of our players a proof that they believe it's possible? I think yes.

You are the one insulting the possibilities of our team.

The most sad thing is that some people stumble in the same stone not once but twice. They should have learned the lesson that when we were 7 points off the top we weren't out of it. If we weren't out of it then, we're not out of it now. And quite simply I think that if we continue playing this way and Manchester keeps playing with the same doubts, anything can happen.

come on Sabre now ur just saying what everyone already knows... we know that there IS a possibilty we'd go out and win the fcker.. theres also a possibilty Chelsea would go out and win it... Arsenal fans by the same understanding still believe... it aint over till its over and all the nonsense... no one is saying theres no chance but all thats being said is that its a long shot to say the least and being 1 point behind with an extra game played, 7games to go isnt exactly a situation that breeds much confidence... everyone seems to be talking about manutd dropping points in 2 games... 2games is all it takes and blah blah... well yea mathematically thats probably true... but are we gonna go out and win 7 games in a row... its probably unrealistic to think that (given the opposition and the fact that all the their 'harder' games are at home) the mancs are gonna drop more than 4 or 5 points or so in their remaining fixtures... its probably just about as unrealistic thinking we'll go out and extend our winning streak by a further 7 games (again given the opposition and how we seem to struggle against the smaller sides) ...

all thats being said is that talking up our titles chances to the extent that some are atm is starting to seem rather silly really... we'r not just one point behind... and we dont have westbrom to play for the next 7 fixtures... lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

Why are they being really silly ?

Form suggests that currently we can go on and win our remaining games and form also suggests that man utd can go and drop more points - so it maybe a long shot but its not unrealistic - its happened before and can happen again .

Look at the table - we are just one point behind - yes they have a game in hand but they still dont have those points from that game .

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