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Postby Fowler_E7 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:51 pm

GYBS wrote:its what i kept saying throughout the summer mate - get pavlyuchenko and silva instead of keane and reira - now those two would of improved our attacking abilities 100% more than keane and reira.

Silva is a better player than Riera but the price diffrence is vast. Pavlyachenco over Keane? no thanks, keane is a much better player and is much better value than the £12.6m spurs paid for the russian.
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Postby stmichael » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:55 pm

silva is a top quality player but didn't want to leave spain. the same with david villa. the fact is they may be available in the summer as valencia are in a dire financial state but even then you're looking at £50m for the pair. Pavlyuchenko is average at best.

can't believe more bigger clubs weren't interested in podolski though.
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:58 pm

stmichael wrote:silva is a top quality player but didn't want to leave spain. the same with david villa. the fact is they may be available in the summer as valencia are in a dire financial state but even then you're looking at £50m for the pair. Pavlyuchenko is average at best.

can't believe more bigger clubs weren't interested in podolski though.

podolski's a very average player, if you ever check him out for Bayern in the bundesliga you would see. He stands out in a poor German national side. He's going back to cologne now, not even the other decent german sides wanted him, his reputation is based on the performances he put in for Germany at the world cup and euro's, he is an extremely inconsistent performer.
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Postby mistyred » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:01 pm

It's just that Pavle what's his name might not be better (Not in my eyes) but atleast if Rafa
had wanted him we might have a happy striker.

TBH it could have been any player Rafa wanted, it still wouldn't have turned into a circus.

And just to be clear i don't know if Rafa even wanted Pavlova i'm just saying.
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:12 pm

mistyred wrote:It's just that Pavle what's his name might not be better (Not in my eyes) but atleast if Rafa
had wanted him we might have a happy striker.

TBH it could have been any player Rafa wanted, it still wouldn't have turned into a circus.

And just to be clear i don't know if Rafa even wanted Pavlova i'm just saying.

I dont beleive for a second that Rafa didnt want Keane to begin with. He is known for his stubborness and he fell out with the Valencia board over transfers being forced on him, he would never allow it to happen here. Rafa is stuck with Keane for the time being and it is his duty as a manager to get something out of him until the summer at the very least, his reputation in the transfer market depends on it IMO, if Keanes flops that will be three £10m + signings that have flopped (Keane,Kuyt, Babel), and that does not look good when Rafa is looking for greater control of transfers.
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Postby stmichael » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:10 pm

Keane back in the squad for tomorrow.
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Postby Rockthekop » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:19 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
mistyred wrote:It's just that Pavle what's his name might not be better (Not in my eyes) but atleast if Rafa
had wanted him we might have a happy striker.

TBH it could have been any player Rafa wanted, it still wouldn't have turned into a circus.

And just to be clear i don't know if Rafa even wanted Pavlova i'm just saying.

I dont beleive for a second that Rafa didnt want Keane to begin with. He is known for his stubborness and he fell out with the Valencia board over transfers being forced on him, he would never allow it to happen here. Rafa is stuck with Keane for the time being and it is his duty as a manager to get something out of him until the summer at the very least, his reputation in the transfer market depends on it IMO, if Keanes flops that will be three £10m + signings that have flopped (Keane,Kuyt, Babel), and that does not look good when Rafa is looking for greater control of transfers.

Kuyt is a flop as a striker certainly but the difference between him and Babel and Keane is that he has had his chance and then some.

You can't possibly say Babel or Keane are flops until they get the same playing time as Kuyt.  Very unlikely though while Rafa is the manager.
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Postby we all dream... » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:20 pm

stmichael wrote:Keane back in the squad for tomorrow.

I bet he starts up front on his own, Kuyt out wide right, Riera on the left, Gerrard and masch in the centre.

I bet Rafa starts Hypia aswell.
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Postby heimdall » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:00 pm

we all dream... wrote:
stmichael wrote:Keane back in the squad for tomorrow.

I bet he starts up front on his own, Kuyt out wide right, Riera on the left, Gerrard and masch in the centre.

I bet Rafa starts Hypia aswell.

What is Torres injured again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby we all dream... » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:08 pm

heimdall wrote:
we all dream... wrote:
stmichael wrote:Keane back in the squad for tomorrow.

I bet he starts up front on his own, Kuyt out wide right, Riera on the left, Gerrard and masch in the centre.

I bet Rafa starts Hypia aswell.

What is Torres injured again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not that I know of but surely he will be rested for the Chelsea Everton games, no?
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Postby GYBS » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:24 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
GYBS wrote:its what i kept saying throughout the summer mate - get pavlyuchenko and silva instead of keane and reira - now those two would of improved our attacking abilities 100% more than keane and reira.

Silva is a better player than Riera but the price diffrence is vast. Pavlyachenco over Keane? no thanks, keane is a much better player and is much better value than the £12.6m spurs paid for the russian.

In what way is he better value ?? pavlyuchenko already has scored more than keane plus he is also younger by a fair amount of years and also cheaper as well . keane was way over priced so in no way does he present any kind of value for money , even more so when you conside that torres was only 3 million more than keane ??!?!
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Postby akumaface » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:24 pm

No way Rafa gonna let him go this season. SPurs hinted they would welcome Keane back and willing to waived the remaining 10 million payment in the summer. Rafa would look really bad if he accept this and whether he is stubborn or not, just no way this will happen as this would become a half season 10 million part time player (same goes with the Dossena transfer). I think Keane only worth max 10 to 12 million and i suppose Rafa now knows he was being ripped off. Too bad that Keane is now the punching bag for Rafa's own mistake. Don't be surprised Keane will stick for couple more years here if Rafa is still in charge.
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Postby GYBS » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:25 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
stmichael wrote:silva is a top quality player but didn't want to leave spain. the same with david villa. the fact is they may be available in the summer as valencia are in a dire financial state but even then you're looking at £50m for the pair. Pavlyuchenko is average at best.

can't believe more bigger clubs weren't interested in podolski though.

podolski's a very average player, if you ever check him out for Bayern in the bundesliga you would see. He stands out in a poor German national side. He's going back to cologne now, not even the other decent german sides wanted him, his reputation is based on the performances he put in for Germany at the world cup and euro's, he is an extremely inconsistent performer.

yet still manages to score a lot of goals for germany and was scoring a lot of goals for bayern before the manager started preferring Luca Toni and Klose to himself .
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Postby tonyeh » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:28 pm


KEANE HUNG OUT TO DRY


By Vincent Hogan

Tuesday January 27 2009

Robbie Keane is a powerful reminder just now that professional football is a game, fundamentally, about illusion.

His current plight reeks of a conflict so far removed from the imperatives of scoring goals and winning games that he might as well be a member of the Anfield office staff. In omitting Keane from an 18-man squad for Sunday's FA Cup replay with Everton, Rafa Benitez gave the uncomfortable impression of a manager suspending fairness to wage a private war.

Keane's £20m summer move to Merseyside has, thus, curdled into a nightmarish tale of isolation.

This is, partly, because he has fluttered like a startled moth for so many of his 27 appearances in a Liverpool shirt. But Keane's struggle to make an impact under Benitez has scarcely been any more conspicuous than the struggles of other expensive signings, Ryan Babel, Andrea Dossena and -- latterly -- Albert Riera.

Significantly, those three all featured on Sunday, Babel and Dossena starting, yet Benitez admitted that he had "not seen" Keane.

In any context, this had to be considered a startling admission by the man who made Keane the second most expensive signing in the club's history just last July. In the context of a team struggling for form and goals, it stopped just short of a declaration of insanity.

Struggle

Benitez is, of course, immersed in a power struggle at Liverpool that is popularly distilled into an argument about control of transfers. He has equivocated on signing a new contract until that argument is resolved. The man he wants taken out of the loop is chief executive Rick Parry.

Parry reputedly refused to sanction Benitez's efforts to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa last summer, believing the £18m asking price exorbitant. Instead, he backed the late investment of £2m more than that into a striker the manager now seems intent upon identifying as someone else's choice.

To believe this is to buy into a convenient version of the power game.

Keane's unconvincing efforts to adjust to Benitez's system at Liverpool have fed the theory that his purchase from Tottenham was business done, essentially, without enthusiastic backing from the manager. Hence, in his battle with Parry, it now clearly suits Benitez to depict Keane as an Anfield misfit.

To buy this line, however, is to believe that the Dubliner was exclusively a boardroom appointment. Fairytale stuff, in other words. Whatever Parry's powers of persuasion, to imagine him riding solo on a £20m deal should stretch our credulity beyond breaking point.

Remember that the zeal with which Liverpool pursued Keane drew a complaint from Tottenham and led, eventually, to the Merseysiders issuing an official apology and making a donation to the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation. Remember, too, that Keane inherited the coveted No 7 shirt worn by Anfield legends Kevin Keegan and Kenny Dalglish.

If this was an appointment the manager did not want, Rafa ought to be carrying an Equity card.

No doubt, he felt humiliated by the collapse of the deal for Barry. No doubt, too, he held his chief executive primarily responsible. But Liverpool would not have signed Robbie Keane six months ago if Benitez had not backed the move, enthusiastically or otherwise. At best, he is being disingenuous in implying anything different. At worst, scandalously unfair.

This is not to say that Keane should be in Liverpool's starting 11. It is to argue his right to a reasonable opportunity.

Robbie can be feckless and insipid on his bad days, but his work ethic is sound and his career as a professional has yet to decant even the faintest thread of criticism from a club manager. If Keane has a clear fault, it is the sense of being extravagant and vain in areas that demand an assassin's brevity.

His much publicised, 'step over' miss in the Champions' League away leg against Atletico Madrid drew much scorn from a broad range of pundits and the kind of withering glare from Benitez that, you sense, has never quite fully thawed. It was conceited and unprofessional and, perhaps, Robbie is still paying the price.

But Keane scored a wonderful goal against Arsenal at the Emirates on December 21 and, four days later, notched two more against Bolton at Anfield. He suddenly looked empowered, yet Benitez's response was to omit him for the next game, against Newcastle at St. James' Park, which Liverpool won 5-1.

That win may have sealed the manager's conviction that, even without the coveted Fernando Torres in his attack, Liverpool did not need Robbie Keane.

At the very least, it surely blew a massive hole in any confidence the player took from having scored three times in two games.

At Old Trafford, after all, Keane's former Tottenham colleague -- Dimitar Berbatov -- was being indulged a succession of limp, ambivalent displays by Alex Ferguson despite the media's derision for what they saw as a £30m dilettante. The Bulgarian has recently scored in three consecutive games for Manchester United, Ferguson describing him after Saturday's defeat of Spurs as "magnificent".

Benitez, for whatever reason, seems compelled to articulate impatience with Keane. He has replaced the Dubliner more often than his shirt this season and, on Sunday, picked teenage French striker David Ngog ahead of Keane in the match-day squad. As declarations of intent go, this one was writ in neon.

Yesterday, speculation was in ferment that Robbie might soon be on his way to Manchester City, Everton, Aston Villa, Sunderland or even back to Spurs, the assumption being that his time at Anfield may terminate this week.

If so, Robbie will be depicted a Liverpool failure. Another Craig Bellamy or Jermaine Pennant. A gifted footballer somehow lacking the competitive intelligence to thread his abilities into the club's folklore.

But is Keane's failure just a grand deception? Is it simply the human sacrifice Benitez has chosen to inflict PR damage on his chief executive? In any tussle for the supporters' allegiance, Rafa beats Rick Parry hands down. He knows that and so does Parry.

So, if Liverpool is, as the tabloids say, a club at war now -- Tom Hicks and Benitez on one side, George Gillett and Parry on the other -- Robbie finds himself cast as a convenient scapegoat. It's not football and it most certainly isn't justice.

But it's how the game is run. Money first, then politics and players. In that order.

- Vincent Hogan



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Postby GYBS » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:38 pm

Rafas words in press conference - "He is a player of good quality , we want him here at liverpool , he wants to work hard for the team and i believe he will work hard to be in the team " or words to that effect .

Is that a good confidence boost to keane or not ?
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