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by **aCe'** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:22 pm

strikers or forwards have every bit as much to do with us not creating enough chances as do midfielders imo... you look at Manutd and you seem how Berbatov and Rooney always come deep to recieve the ball and start attacks... sort of looks like a flat line of 4 forwards with the strikers and wingers interchanging positions like no other club in the world does imo... We play a very different game whether we play 1 or 2 upfront... When Keane plays upfront the only time he looks dangerous for us is when he comes deeper to play short passes with the midfielders or wingers... Torres is just a different story all together and Kuyt is just useless in everything he does... A Keane and Owen strikeforce would work brilliantly imo... i can even see a Torres-Owen partnership working out given the way the two players play... Stretch out defenders and keep them looking out for our 2 forwards who seem to attack the ball in very different ways...Torres and Owen that is...

Anyways... with the players we have and the way we set up more often than not (4-5-1) it wil always be hard for us to create enough clear cut chances... players like Kuyt, Mascherano, Babel... theyr not the most creative around and if the forward doesnt create the space or doesnt make the run and manage to stay offside for a good few second, more often than not they wont be making the pass... with a player like Owen, you know you'd have another forward who would force the right pass by getting into the right places and managing to ose his marker more often than not...

by **tubby** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:30 pm

Maybe Stevie or someone can give Michael a call and tell him to publically declare he wants to return to us!

I was so sad to see him go but at the same time so angry. But if he came back I know he would win the fans back in no time.

by ***_Ruthless_*** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:33 pm

Signing Owen back would be a back step IMO, Yes hes quick and he can score goals, But hes also gonna be wanting a :censored:

take of a wage and hes Injury prone..

If he'd sign a pay as u play contract then yes i'd have him back, otherwise its a waste of money.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:37 pm

No for me , Turned his back on us to go on to bigger an better things,,ha, He could of at least give Rafa a go, his loss im afraid, We wernt good enough for him then so why now, Missed his chance as far as im concerned.

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:47 pm

Sean Ban wrote:I would love to see Owen back but it will come down to Rafa. Don't think he has ever rated Owen. Didn't see him as his type of player.

No ya right he's not a Rafa type player. Rafa type players run round alot and do a whole lot of nothing. Much like Kuyt and Lucas.

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:51 pm

Kharhaz wrote:I voted no. Once he left that was it for me, he wasnt willing to give rafa a chance, gerrard did. Gerrard ended up with a champs league medal, Owen was left with nothing worse than a warm botty from staying on the bench at Madrid. But hey in his words, he joined a top club.

Secondly, if we are looking at Owen why the hell dont we sign Kewell back? It would appear his injuries are behind him?

So my answer would be no. A half @ssed attitude is better than one that completely stinks.

Sorry, but just because Owen went in search of glory (alot of great players do this due to ambition) does mean his attitude stinks. That comment is so wide of the mark its unreal. The lads a tryer, he gives it his everything and is the ultimate professional who never has a bad word to say about anyone in public.

Your reasons fornot wanting him back are completely pathetic to be honest and nothing to do with football. This club needs him and by christ he needs us. He would help us reach another level, especially when Torres is out injured. Lets face it, if we can keep at least one of them fit all the way through the season, we'd have a chance of winning everything.

by **tubby** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:55 pm

At the end of the day Stu even if we all wanted him back and he wanted to come back it would come down to if Rafa was willing to take him back. And right now he isnt, he even refuted any claims we were going to make a bid last week.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:55 pm

got to be yes

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:01 pm

Kharhaz wrote:
thegreedo wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
thegreedo wrote:Fair point but firstly, yes there are other strikers out there but there's nobody anywhere near the quality of Owen that will be available on a Bosman. Secondly yes he is injury prone but to say he's not prolific is rediculous, he has scored more than any Livepool player this season despite his injuries.
Personally I think he's a little sh1t but used sparingly he could be the difference between 1 point and 3 in many games for us and thats exactly what we need to sustain this challenge.

Im not saying he isnt prolific, im saying I wouldnt personally want him back, and if he did, he would be spending more time in the treatment room than on the pitch. He would be a free signing for a reason, the wages he would get would be daft for the amount of playing time he would put in.

Again, you raise some good points and I may be way off the mark but I have a sneaking suspision Owen may be willing to take a drop on his current salary to get back to Liverpool and if that were the case it would be as st Mick says a "no brainer".

Its all ifs and buts isnt it. If rafa did sign him, then of course, all the support would be there. But in this instance of rafa being stubborn I hope he remains so. Owen isnt the only solution to a quality striker, as Torres has proved.

Completely agree. He's not the only soloution. You're dead right coz we're a rich club aren't we with no debt.... :no

Name me a better player you can get for Under £20,000,000 plus wages and signing on fee thats as good as Owen.

Now try naming one that you can get for under £10,000,000.

Now try one for £5,000,000. Now try one who's proven, scored goals, played for the club and knows what its about is a top professional, has mates here already is english and knows the club inside out.

Lets face it, the only thing you're worried about is the amount of game time Kuyt won't get if we sign Owen, it'll constantly be two of Keane, Owen and Torres which would suit me fine as all the players are quality. Then if one was to get injured, you've still got two other top quality players.

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:04 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:I voted no , err because stu voted yes. Only kiddin lash , i think i'd have him back ,just the injuries that worry me . Looks like Torres is going to have a lot of problems with his hamstrings for the foreseeable . Can't really afford to have two of them like that . Other than that ,i don't see why not . Rafa will never have him back though imo ,for the reason's Leon stated.

So you honestly think that if we signed Owen they'd both be out for the same periods with injuries? Disagree. I think more often than not you'd at least have one of Owen or Torres available, you'd have to be pretty unlucky to go most of a season having both of them injured.

For the fee Owen will move for I don't see how anyone can use this excuse for not signing him, really don't.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:09 pm

I voted yes. The only question in my mind is injuries but I think he'd be worth a punt, definitely. As for his ability to play with Torres, I'd like to hear the assessment of people who have watched him play for Newcastle these last few years. I haven't had many opportunities to see him play but I thought I'd read that he was playing (and playing well) in more of a deep-lying creative striker role at the tail end of last season--sitting behind Martins and Viduka and pulling some of the strings. Am I crazy or did that happen? If so, does that not suggest that he might strike up a promising partnership with Torres?

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:09 pm

Alex G. wrote:I still think we ought to sign a taller striker. We got Keane, Kuyt even El Zhar with the same conditions than him.
Remeber this is english football mates, and we use to play with long balls. We don´t need Owen.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:09 pm

Rafa said last week he is not coming back, so no point in talking about him really.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:09 pm

It would depend on what sort of deal he was willing to take. If he is really desperate to come back then he will have to take some sort of pay as you play contract with a minimal basic rate. He is on over £100k a year according to most sources and personally I would only be willing to give him a quarter of that as a basic rate with added bonuses depending on appearances.

His injury record is horrendous so we couldn’t sign him as one of first choice strikers, it’s just not worth the risk.

If we could get him for a very small fee and on a very small basic rate (wages) then I would say yes. But I don’t think he will accept such a drop in wages.

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:11 pm

burjennio wrote:
Fo DnePS: If you're going to be a complete wit and vote no, explain why you don't think the manager should make this affordable improvement to the squad and team by signing a top class professional.

Who creates a poll by insulting anyone who doesnt share their opinion before they have even voted? Do you speak to real people the way you do on here? If so im sure you get smacked around alot.

Bringing back Owen is not black and white, its not just about how he left or the goals he once scored. He is very injury prone and do you want to bring in another striker just to have him lie next to Torres in the treatment room? If he comes in and stays fit, what formation do you play? has Owen not always played at his best with a target man up front beside him? Should Torres sacrifice his goal threat to accommodate him? Could he play with Keane? Could he play with Ngog? What would you think if you were Nemeth or one of the other promising young strikers if we brought in a striker who best days are behind him (sorry, but they are)?

For me, the problem lately hasnt been the finishing, its been the lack of clear cut chances we've been creating. I watched Utd play Sunderland last night and get very fortunate with an injury time goal that deflected onto a post and straight to Vidic for a tap in. If you read that this morning you would think "lucky b@stards" and assume that where the Mancs got lucky Liverpool didnt get the rub of the green against Fulham or West Ham, but there was a huge difference. It just seemed impossible that Utd hadnt scored as they created chance after chance and were denied by great tackling, great goalkeeping and sometimes blind luck. Watching the last two LFC home games i just couldnt see Liverpool scoring when they were relagated to long range shooting and hopeful set pieces. When the team is playing like that it you could have Torres, Owen and Fowler on the pitch on top form and it isnt gonna change the overall complexion of the game. Gerrard has not looked 100% since being injured, Riera hasnt pushed on after a promising start and some of the others are definitely playing within themselves at the moment.

In fairness though id rather have him back they flippin Bruno!

Hence the reason there was a smiley there ya whopper! :kungfu:

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