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by **GYBS** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:12 pm

im sorry but no one can defend those tackles that gerrard did just because they were against the bs . Yes it has nothing to do with this incident but lets not think he is a saint on the pitch .

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:13 pm

GYBS wrote:im sorry but no one can defend those tackles that gerrard did just because they were against the bs . Yes it has nothing to do with this incident but lets not think he is a saint on the pitch .

Again, what the f*ck have Gerrard's tackles got to do with anything here? Christ almighty, there's some sh*t being spoken in here now.

by **Number 9** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:14 pm

GYBS wrote:im sorry but no one can defend those tackles that gerrard did just because they were against the bs . Yes it has nothing to do with this incident but lets not think he is a saint on the pitch .

Right take your tongue outta stus ring ffs!

Just because he always makes a fool out of you in footy chat..no need to start brown nosing now!

by **Ciggy** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:16 pm

Fo Dne wrote:Deary me!

Shows the kind of person and upbringing you've had if you think those sort of actions are acceptable then doesn't it.

A better one than you.

Who gives a sh!t about his tackles on some mongrel players, its got feck all to do with this.

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:17 pm

Ciggy wrote:Stupid wind up merchant double glazing salesman Manc kunt.

So this fella winds up our captain and insults our club and our captain gets charged for it, great.

Anything to stop us winning No19.

If gerrard has done this and mob attacked some bloke no matter if he is a manc my views on him have droped greatly.

If gerrard was 19 I be like he is young and still learning ways of life but he isn't 19 is he , he is a grow man and shouldn't be getting him self into this sort of sh.it.

If he is found to have done something wrong and you still defend him then I really pitty you.

FA. will throw the book at him as well remember if found guity.

So this is a very bad time for gerrard and liverpool FC.

by **Fo Dne** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:17 pm

Number 9 wrote:1. So are you trying to say a two footed tackle makes him as bad as Barton..who kicks feck outta people on the floor of McDonalds,

2. punches the head of a team mate,

3. stubbed a cigar on a fellas eye?

4. Tackles are not the subject here..its about an alleged incident that he is innocent of until proven guilty.

What are ya talking about dirty tackles for anyway?Lots of players do them at times..its part of football!Feck all to do with this!

1. It was outside McDonalds and he was reacting to getting loads of some blurt. All he done is react like 90% of the poputation would. Its all well and good saying he's paid not to react, you'd be right if you said it, but lets face it, if someones abusing your family and calling you for alsort for nothing when you're out on the ale minding you're business you're going to tell em to :censored:

off or do something about it. Anyone who says they wouldn't are either lying or are a wimp.

2. You were not there and don't know what happened. How do you know he wasn't simply reacting to provocation like Gerrard supposedly was?

3. Can't defend that. Stupidity.

4. There is a difference in a bad tackle and common assault. A two footed jump off the ground and stamp is an attempt to break someones legs. Nothing more nothing less.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:19 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Imagine if Joey Barton had done this the fuss it would have kicked up.

If he's glassed someone he deserves locking up. If he's smacked some bellend who gave him abuse this country's a joke.

Simple as that.

Erm Joey Barton is a thug Stu. How many times has he kicked off , even with his own team mates hes a disgrace an should not even be compared to Gerrard

Gerrard's kicked off a good few times and can be just as hot headed so don't be goin down that route.

Some of the things Gerrard's done his Career on the pitch are just as bad as the things Barton's done. Gerrard's gone in more than once too break peoples legs and hurt them and denying that is being a fool.

As for him kicking off at his own team mate, again you don't actually know what happened and were not there. To be honest, you don't even have one side of the story so don't judge.

Dont be

soft Stu , Thats a stupid comment to make I thought you were better than that. You can defend Barton all you want but at the end of the day hes a :censored:

.house ,who stubs ciggys out on young lad face . Yeh that was a joke , And the pic of the team mate , never happened . An him stamping all over the lad in town was made up. I know his family an all Stu an im still saying the same thing,

I know i wasnt there your right, but dont be blinded just because Barton played for your team when he was a kid. You know as well as i do his character is completly different from Gerrards,

by **Judge** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:21 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Judge wrote:
Judge wrote:just because gerrard was there, does not mean he actually threw a punch!!

he was the highest profile guy there, so my guess is that accuser would need compensation, and realised quickly that he'd get more from stevie g, than the other two paupers he was with!

by my reckoning, the other two probably did the fisty cuffs, and gerrard got involved to stop it. but as we all know, that would look like, from an untrained eye, that gerrard was the provoker and attacker.

however, the coppers couldve been keeping him there until he signed autographs for the whole station

erm...beat nanny to the compo claim note

Erm sorry to dissapoint you Doc but check back about 20 pages . Compo

damn you to hell nanny :angry:

by **Fo Dne** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:23 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Imagine if Joey Barton had done this the fuss it would have kicked up.

If he's glassed someone he deserves locking up. If he's smacked some bellend who gave him abuse this country's a joke.

Simple as that.

What the f*ck are you even talking about? Glassing someone? What?! And like you've never felt like battering someone for giving you abuse before? Behave yourself. Wait until the official details are released before spouting shyte like this, eh?

I clearly stated IF he's glassed someone he deserves locking up. Which he does if he's done that. If he's not then no problem.

If he's smacked someone for giving him abuse then:

1. He's done what Joey Barton done outside McDonalds.
2. I have smacked people who've given me abuse.
3. This country's a joke for locking someone up whose retaliated to someone being an :censored:

. In other words Gerrard shouldn't be charged.

Stop looking for an arguement where there isn't one you stupid fcuking arsehole!

There was :censored:

all wrong with what I said and I stand by it and some stupid little no mark like you isn't going to change my opinion. Now run along. :kungfu:

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:24 pm

A little reminder about our captain from the Independent

Gerrard's battle to breathe in claustrophobic city

The high-profile leader of a Liverpool side seeking to end their title drought does not have it easy off the pitch, writes Sam Wallace

Tuesday, 30 December 2008

When he sat in his police cell in Southport yesterday, Steven Gerrard will have had plenty of time to reflect on what the previous 24 hours had served up for him and, beyond all the usual worries about the welfare of his wife, children and friends, there will doubtless have been another looming concern. The title race. Because in Liverpool nothing can be allowed to shake the team's sense of purpose.

Top at the halfway point, Liverpool are only just starting to believe that this could be their year after 17 seasons of waiting. Two goals from Gerrard in the 5-1 thrashing of Newcastle, Chelsea drawing at Fulham – no wonder Gerrard felt like celebrating on Sunday night. Let's not get carried away: one altercation in Southport does not undo all that. But it lays that seed of doubt that when everything should be going smoothly – when at last the momentum is building – something like this comes along to make you wonder whether Liverpool are ever going to get a break.

Gerrard has not yet been charged and there is no suggestion that he has done anything wrong. The bare facts are that he, and five others, were arrested in the Lounge Inn restaurant, bar and nightclub on Bold Street in Southport on Merseyside at 2.30am on Monday morning. The DJ at the club was taken to hospital and as of last night Gerrard was in police custody in Southport.

Whatever the fallout, it is an unwelcome wrinkle in what had been a fabulous Christmas for Liverpool and Gerrard. After draws against Hull and Arsenal, Liverpool scored eight goals, dispatching Bolton and Newcastle in the two games after Christmas Day. They anticipate the return of Fernando Torres from injury after the FA Cup third round next weekend. But, of course, the one man they cannot afford to be without, the one man whose head must be right if Liverpool are to be champions is Gerrard.

The reason he was in Southport, a posh satellite town north of Liverpool, is because it is safer for Liverpool's players, especially their most famous player, to do their socialising outside the city centre. Robbie Fowler famously complained that, as a footballer walking into the average Liverpool bar or pub, he reckoned half the clientele wanted to shake his hand and the other half wanted to fight him. Gerrard was doing himself a favour by sticking to Southport, home of the likes of Alan Hansen and Kenny Dalglish, who settle there for the privacy and the golf courses.

Given that Gerrard is unlikely to figure against Preston North End in the FA Cup on Saturday, it must have seemed like a safe bet to go out in Southport, although there is no such thing as a safe bet when you are as famous as Gerrard in a city that can feel as claustrophobic as Liverpool. As a son of Liverpool from the Bluebell estate in Huyton – four of the others arrested were from Huyton too – Gerrard has known the tough side of his hometown.

In April, Gerrard's father Paul testified in court to the character of John Kinsella, who was later found guilty of robbery at Liverpool crown court but then absconded. Kinsella, Paul Gerrard said in a letter to the court, had helped sort out a problem for his son. The problem was a man called George Bromley Jnr, known locally as "The Psycho", who had threatened to shoot Gerrard in the legs.

As well as having to dodge "The Psycho", who chased him home from training on one occasion, Gerrard also has to deal with the antipathy of the blue half of the city. Not all Everton fans are guilty of it, far from it, but there are many who sing a certain song about Gerrard that is one of the most unpleasant still heard in football grounds. Unfortunately it is catching on – it could be heard at the Emirates this month – and it is not a taunt that anyone should have to put up with.

In his autobiography, Jamie Carragher, Gerrard's team-mate and a former diehard Evertonian, described the song in question as "personal, vindictive and disgusting". "It goes beyond the kind of banter that is acceptable in any form of life, not only football." There is no suggestion this song played a part in the events of Monday morning but it is an indicator of what Gerrard has to endure.

Given his profile in Liverpool, Gerrard has done well to avoid the kind of incident that occurred in Southport. In October 2001 he had to apologise to the then England manager Sven Goran Eriksson for drinking late in another bar in Southport the day before the England team met up for the famous World Cup qualifier against Greece at Old Trafford. Gerrard's reaction to the incident in his own autobiography was "So :censored:

what?" He said that he had been in bed by 12.30am and, as a single man, had been "trying to pull a few birds, not get drunk". He suspected the culprit who tipped off the Daily Mail was a "cocky Everton lad" he had encountered in the bar.

Liverpool players tend to start their Christmas parties at Aldo's, the pub owned by former player John Aldridge in the city centre, and this year was fairly low-key. As the control-freak that he is, Rafael Benitez will be probably be more worried about Gerrard drinking than anything else but even he has had to accept that his superhuman captain needs to let off steam sometimes.

If Gerrard is seeking a reassuring precedent, he need look no further than when Sir Alex Ferguson had to collect a hungover Roy Keane from Bootle Street police station in Manchester four days before the 1999 FA Cup final. United still won and went on to win the Champions League, albeit without Keane. A night or two in the cells is no disaster – it is what happens afterwards that counts.

Steven Gerrard: This season's stats

*Premier League: 18 appearances (1 as substitute), 8 goals, 5 assists, 1,505 minutes on pitch

*Champions League: 7 appearances (1 as substitute), 5 goals, 1 assist, 534 minutes on pitch

*International 3 appearances, 1 goal, 237 minutes on pitch

Ok he's been a silly boy, and what he did was wrong, but most of the media are sniffing in the air and smelling blood. Lets hope that when it gets to court (if it gets to court) cold facts are what count and the fact he is normally a responsible member of the public..

by **LegBarnes** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:25 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Imagine if Joey Barton had done this the fuss it would have kicked up.

If he's glassed someone he deserves locking up. If he's smacked some bellend who gave him abuse this country's a joke.

Simple as that.

What the f*ck are you even talking about? Glassing someone? What?! And like you've never felt like battering someone for giving you abuse before? Behave yourself. Wait until the official details are released before spouting shyte like this, eh?

I clearly stated IF he's glassed someone he deserves locking up. Which he does if he's done that. If he's not then no problem.

If he's smacked someone for giving him abuse then:

1. He's done what Joey Barton done outside McDonalds.
2. I have smacked people who've given me abuse.
3. This country's a joke for locking someone up whose retaliated to someone being an . In other words Gerrard shouldn't be charged.

Stop looking for an arguement where there isn't one you stupid fcuking arsehole!

There was all wrong with what I said and I stand by it and some stupid little no mark like you isn't going to change my opinion. Now run along.

I agree Stu is only saying IF he has done this then he isn't no better.

He isn't saying he is like barton but to put ya self in that sh.it shows same level of mentality which is pi.ss poor IMO.

by **GYBS** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:26 pm

got nothing to do with brown nosing anyone but lets not paint gerrard as an angel . Yes the tackles dont have much to do with this incident but it does show that he has snapped before in the past on a football field and in the past as a kid he got in a few scuffles so in this case while he was tanked up he may well of snapped , yes you cant blame him if he is getting :censored:

from someone but you also cant condone it . But like has been said no one knows the full details and no one can judge him until the full details has been released but he has been charged so something has happened . What exactly we dont know yet but if and i mean if gerrard has given the lad a slap then he needs to be punished and will get what he deserves . Im not in a million years comparing him to barton , thats just stupid as gerrard isnt a thug but he isnt an angel . A guy i know is a good mate of gratty gerrards mate and have text him to see if he knows anything about what happened . Hopefully like i said gerrard is just guilty of been drunk and being in the wrong place at the wrong time and got involved in a bit of argy bargy and its all been blown out of proportion .

by **GOAT_2.0** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:26 pm

I clearly stated IF he's glassed someone he deserves locking up. Which he does if he's done that. If he's not then no problem.

If he's smacked someone for giving him abuse then:

1. He's done what Joey Barton done outside McDonalds.
2. I have smacked people who've given me abuse.
3. This country's a joke for locking someone up whose retaliated to someone being an :censored:

. In other words Gerrard shouldn't be charged.[/quote]
Ok I actually agree with this

by **Number 9** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:26 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
Number 9 wrote:1. So are you trying to say a two footed tackle makes him as bad as Barton..who kicks feck outta people on the floor of McDonalds,

2. punches the head of a team mate,

3. stubbed a cigar on a fellas eye?

4. Tackles are not the subject here..its about an alleged incident that he is innocent of until proven guilty.

What are ya talking about dirty tackles for anyway?Lots of players do them at times..its part of football!Feck all to do with this!

1. It was outside McDonalds and he was reacting to getting loads of some blurt. All he done is react like 90% of the poputation would. Its all well and good saying he's paid not to react, you'd be right if you said it, but lets face it, if someones abusing your family and calling you for alsort for nothing when you're out on the ale minding you're business you're going to tell em to off or do something about it. Anyone who says they wouldn't are either lying or are a wimp.

2. You were not there and don't know what happened. How do you know he wasn't simply reacting to provocation like Gerrard supposedly was?

3. Can't defend that. Stupidity.

4. There is a difference in a bad tackle and common assault. A two footed jump off the ground and stamp is an attempt to break someones legs. Nothing more nothing less.

So you were outside McDonalds and know what happened?...OK

The difference here is Barton done it...Gerrard has only been charged...Innocent till proven guilty.

Common assault..OK,lets put police beside the 4th official at every game to arrest players for dirty tackles from now on.WTF are you talking about tackles for anyway,its not the issue here!

Only Stu could turn a thread about Gerrard into Barton vs Gerrard thread.
Barton is a scumbag..FACT had he not been a footballer he'd most probably be inside for a very longtime.He's scum and has had more chances than he deserves.

But you think he's a great player so he's a top man! :laugh:

by **Fo Dne** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:30 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Imagine if Joey Barton had done this the fuss it would have kicked up.

If he's glassed someone he deserves locking up. If he's smacked some bellend who gave him abuse this country's a joke.

Simple as that.

Erm Joey Barton is a thug Stu. How many times has he kicked off , even with his own team mates hes a disgrace an should not even be compared to Gerrard

Gerrard's kicked off a good few times and can be just as hot headed so don't be goin down that route.

Some of the things Gerrard's done his Career on the pitch are just as bad as the things Barton's done. Gerrard's gone in more than once too break peoples legs and hurt them and denying that is being a fool.

As for him kicking off at his own team mate, again you don't actually know what happened and were not there. To be honest, you don't even have one side of the story so don't judge.

Dont be soft Stu , Thats a stupid comment to make I thought you were better than that. You can defend Barton all you want but at the end of the day hes a .house ,who stubs ciggys out on young lad face . Yeh that was a joke , And the pic of the team mate , never happened . An him stamping all over the lad in town was made up. I know his family an all Stu an im still saying the same thing,

I know i wasnt there your right, but dont be blinded just because Barton played for your team when he was a kid. You know as well as i do his character is completly different from Gerrards,

There Characters aren't completely different though Nanny, thats what makes them so similar on the pitch. The only real difference is Gerrard has shown he can excercise maximum control over his actions. Barton's probably got the control of a normal average lad.

The ciggy incident happened when he was kid.

The Maccies incident and Dabo one were both in retaliation to abuse or circumstances much like Gerrard's.

My points clear, how can you say Barton's a thug for reacting, but Gerrard isn't.

I'm not calling Gerrard a thug, I'm not saying Barton isn't one, Joey loses his cool far to easily, but Gerrard, I know for a fact is just as capable of seeing red and isn't an angel himself.

I personally think this country's gone mad with people like Emerald red who are all do gooders, if Gerrard and Barton were provoked then for me they were well within there rights to smack someone.

The fact is though, no-one knows what actually happened in this particular incident. FACT!

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