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Leonmc0708 wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

Quadrophenia wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

Keane has to like it or lump it . He doesn't like the way Rafa does things ,there's only going to be one winner.

Do people seriously think that he takes these decisions because he doesn't like Keane or he wants to p!ss the fans off or it's a guess or something.

You mean like the tactical decision to replace Mascherano the other day instead of the hapless Lucas. That one decision alone proved that Benitez will never win the title at Liverpool.

The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

The sooner we get Rick Parry to negotiate your "fourty quid a cheeseburger and a packet of pork scratchings" severance pay deal out with Rag Ar.se Rovers and get you in the hot seat the better; as far as I am concerned.

JBG wrote:Sitting on the bench is nothing new for Robbie Keane, he had loads of bench time for Leeds and Inter.

Remember as well that he went through long periods at Spurs, both under Jol and Ramos, of being third choice behind Berbatov and Defoe, but won back his place and was the main reason for Defoe leaving.

I can't remember exactly when it was but I recollect that it may have been two seasons ago that Robbie didn't start much for Spurs before Xmas before winning back his place and scoring loads of goals after Xmas.

While I think Robbie is a good player and has goals in him yet for Liverpool ultimately I think he was the wrong choice for our £20million and if it wasn't for our lack of funds I think Benitez would go out and buy another top class forward. I don't ever see him clicking with Torres and ultimately I have my doubts whether Torres can play at his best with a partner.

Torres seems to like having the front line all to himself with a very advanced midfielder just behind, like Gerrard last year. Keane is not an "in the hole" forward and never has been so by buying him Benitez has identified the wrong type of player (Benitez specifically said he saw Robbie as a behind the front man type player). I've always followed Robbie's career closely and he has been at his most effective as a box player playing off a big man, with the big man dropping off him and allowing Robbie in on goal. He had an excellent partnership with Quinn for Ireland in his early years and formed a great partnership with Berbatov at Spurs. Even at his time at Leeds he looked his best when he played alongside Viduka. When he has played beside a smaller, fast player, like Defoe at Spurs, the two of them tend to make the same runs.

Torres is not really a target man and is far more mobile than Berbatov or Viduka and I just don't see Robbie gelling. Robbie's best game for us was when he played against West Brom up front largely on his own with Torres on the bench.

My own feeling is that we need either a forward who lies deep or an advanced midfielder who supports Torres. Keane doesn't fit the bill.

john craig wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

Going too far there mate.

Yes that was an odd decision, but the man's far from a clown.  I don't think that even warrants being backed up by discussion.  All I will say is that he deserves a bit more respect than you are showing him.

Fo Dne wrote:

john craig wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

Going too far there mate.

Yes that was an odd decision, but the man's far from a clown.  I don't think that even warrants being backed up by discussion.  All I will say is that he deserves a bit more respect than you are showing him.

Maybe it is to far. I don't rate him at all as a manager. As a coach and his reading of the game it can often be exceptional and I don't think there is a better coach in europe. I also don't believe there is a more tactically astute and creative coach in europe.

Its just a shame his overall management is nowhere near upto the standard of his coaching abililty. Its really frustrating me seeing how close this side is to great things and watching the years tick by, Gerrard and Carragher get older and knowing that as long as he is still in charge, stupid mistakes will be made, stupid games will cost us points, stupid decisions and pig headedness will cost us chances and poor signings will be made on a regular basis.

This team is so close to being perfect but Benitez will never let it be. He'll never consistently play Alonso and Gerrard in the middle as a pair, he'll always want to give Lucas a game and bring in that extra midfielder away from home, he'll never have the bottle to leave the team as it is and he'll never sign the correct defenders to take us onto that level we could reach.

Sad, but true. I was right behind Rafa untill the start of the 2006/2007 season. We had built a great side and he dismantled it, he's only now, 2 years later got a side thats comparible but for me is still not as good. He's spent over a hundred million since then and we're only just back to the level we were at 2/3 years ago...

WHY?

Well like i've said in another thread , we're doing well considering the clown is so sh!t , sometimes stu , you talk poo mate , it's that simple ,you talk complete and utter garbage . The sooner he's gone the better , well feck you , i can think of 40,000 CLUELESS LFC fans that go the match that would think your talking out of your rectum . We're in the best position we've been in for years and you want rid . Basically stu and thank god the vast majority of fans think he's the best manager we've had for 20 years ,Rafa doesn't have to answer to whoppers like you . If i were you i'd go back to scouting under 11's ,that seems to be your forte'.

Igor Zidane wrote:

Quadrophenia wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

Keane has to like it or lump it . He doesn't like the way Rafa does things ,there's only going to be one winner.

Do people seriously think that he takes these decisions because he doesn't like Keane or he wants to p!ss the fans off or it's a guess or something.

Spot on.

I was about to ask all of you if Rafa, a man that mainly rotated to keep the minutes played by the players controlled, is using some of these early substitutions to administer those minutes in another way.

Not only in the case of Keane, there are several substitutions through out these season that are not directly related to how well the player is doing in the game, but seeking to keep the minutes of players controlled. Riera aswell, sometimes he has been subbed because he was exhausted, but sometimes he was playing well and subbed. There are other examples too.


It makes no sense that Rafa subs a player because he's disgusted with him and then he plays him in the next game.

I'll call this in-game rotation the Igor Zidane rotation, because you're the one that has inspired me the question (kidding)

Sabre wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

Quadrophenia wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

Keane has to like it or lump it . He doesn't like the way Rafa does things ,there's only going to be one winner.

Do people seriously think that he takes these decisions because he doesn't like Keane or he wants to p!ss the fans off or it's a guess or something.

Spot on.

I was about to ask all of you if Rafa, a man that mainly rotated to keep the minutes played by the players controlled, is using some of these early substitutions to administer those minutes in another way.

Not only in the case of Keane, there are several substitutions through out these season that are not directly related to how well the player is doing in the game, but seeking to keep the minutes of players controlled. Riera aswell, sometimes he has been subbed because he was exhausted, but sometimes he was playing well and subbed. There are other examples too.


It makes no sense that Rafa subs a player because he's disgusted with him and then he plays him in the next game.

I'll call this in-game rotation the Igor Zidane rotation, because you're the one that has inspired me the question (kidding)

Igor Zidane wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

john craig wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

Going too far there mate.

Yes that was an odd decision, but the man's far from a clown.  I don't think that even warrants being backed up by discussion.  All I will say is that he deserves a bit more respect than you are showing him.

Maybe it is to far. I don't rate him at all as a manager. As a coach and his reading of the game it can often be exceptional and I don't think there is a better coach in europe. I also don't believe there is a more tactically astute and creative coach in europe.

Its just a shame his overall management is nowhere near upto the standard of his coaching abililty. Its really frustrating me seeing how close this side is to great things and watching the years tick by, Gerrard and Carragher get older and knowing that as long as he is still in charge, stupid mistakes will be made, stupid games will cost us points, stupid decisions and pig headedness will cost us chances and poor signings will be made on a regular basis.

This team is so close to being perfect but Benitez will never let it be. He'll never consistently play Alonso and Gerrard in the middle as a pair, he'll always want to give Lucas a game and bring in that extra midfielder away from home, he'll never have the bottle to leave the team as it is and he'll never sign the correct defenders to take us onto that level we could reach.

Sad, but true. I was right behind Rafa untill the start of the 2006/2007 season. We had built a great side and he dismantled it, he's only now, 2 years later got a side thats comparible but for me is still not as good. He's spent over a hundred million since then and we're only just back to the level we were at 2/3 years ago...

WHY?

Well like i've said in another thread , we're doing well considering the clown is so sh!t , sometimes stu , you talk poo mate , it's that simple ,you talk complete and utter garbage . The sooner he's gone the better , well feck you , i can think of 40,000 CLUELESS LFC fans that go the match that would think your talking out of your rectum . We're in the best position we've been in for years and you want rid . Basically stu and thank god the vast majority of fans think he's the best manager we've had for 20 years ,Rafa doesn't have to answer to whoppers like you . If i were you i'd go back to scouting under 11's ,that seems to be your forte'.

I know yeah lad, imagine a world without needless rotation, pathetic substitutions, playing Lucas and Dossena and signing players.

It couldn't be worth considering could it?

Fo Dne wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

john craig wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

Going too far there mate.

Yes that was an odd decision, but the man's far from a clown.  I don't think that even warrants being backed up by discussion.  All I will say is that he deserves a bit more respect than you are showing him.

Maybe it is to far. I don't rate him at all as a manager. As a coach and his reading of the game it can often be exceptional and I don't think there is a better coach in europe. I also don't believe there is a more tactically astute and creative coach in europe.

Its just a shame his overall management is nowhere near upto the standard of his coaching abililty. Its really frustrating me seeing how close this side is to great things and watching the years tick by, Gerrard and Carragher get older and knowing that as long as he is still in charge, stupid mistakes will be made, stupid games will cost us points, stupid decisions and pig headedness will cost us chances and poor signings will be made on a regular basis.

This team is so close to being perfect but Benitez will never let it be. He'll never consistently play Alonso and Gerrard in the middle as a pair, he'll always want to give Lucas a game and bring in that extra midfielder away from home, he'll never have the bottle to leave the team as it is and he'll never sign the correct defenders to take us onto that level we could reach.

Sad, but true. I was right behind Rafa untill the start of the 2006/2007 season. We had built a great side and he dismantled it, he's only now, 2 years later got a side thats comparible but for me is still not as good. He's spent over a hundred million since then and we're only just back to the level we were at 2/3 years ago...

WHY?

Well like i've said in another thread , we're doing well considering the clown is so sh!t , sometimes stu , you talk poo mate , it's that simple ,you talk complete and utter garbage . The sooner he's gone the better , well feck you , i can think of 40,000 CLUELESS LFC fans that go the match that would think your talking out of your rectum . We're in the best position we've been in for years and you want rid . Basically stu and thank god the vast majority of fans think he's the best manager we've had for 20 years ,Rafa doesn't have to answer to whoppers like you . If i were you i'd go back to scouting under 11's ,that seems to be your forte'.

I know yeah lad, imagine a world without needless rotation, pathetic substitutions, playing Lucas and Dossena and signing players.

It couldn't be worth considering could it?

Igor Zidane wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

Igor Zidane wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

john craig wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

Going too far there mate.

Yes that was an odd decision, but the man's far from a clown.  I don't think that even warrants being backed up by discussion.  All I will say is that he deserves a bit more respect than you are showing him.

Maybe it is to far. I don't rate him at all as a manager. As a coach and his reading of the game it can often be exceptional and I don't think there is a better coach in europe. I also don't believe there is a more tactically astute and creative coach in europe.

Its just a shame his overall management is nowhere near upto the standard of his coaching abililty. Its really frustrating me seeing how close this side is to great things and watching the years tick by, Gerrard and Carragher get older and knowing that as long as he is still in charge, stupid mistakes will be made, stupid games will cost us points, stupid decisions and pig headedness will cost us chances and poor signings will be made on a regular basis.

This team is so close to being perfect but Benitez will never let it be. He'll never consistently play Alonso and Gerrard in the middle as a pair, he'll always want to give Lucas a game and bring in that extra midfielder away from home, he'll never have the bottle to leave the team as it is and he'll never sign the correct defenders to take us onto that level we could reach.

Sad, but true. I was right behind Rafa untill the start of the 2006/2007 season. We had built a great side and he dismantled it, he's only now, 2 years later got a side thats comparible but for me is still not as good. He's spent over a hundred million since then and we're only just back to the level we were at 2/3 years ago...

WHY?

Well like i've said in another thread , we're doing well considering the clown is so sh!t , sometimes stu , you talk poo mate , it's that simple ,you talk complete and utter garbage . The sooner he's gone the better , well feck you , i can think of 40,000 CLUELESS LFC fans that go the match that would think your talking out of your rectum . We're in the best position we've been in for years and you want rid . Basically stu and thank god the vast majority of fans think he's the best manager we've had for 20 years ,Rafa doesn't have to answer to whoppers like you . If i were you i'd go back to scouting under 11's ,that seems to be your forte'.

I know yeah lad, imagine a world without needless rotation, pathetic substitutions, playing Lucas and Dossena and signing players.

It couldn't be worth considering could it?

Yeh it might be worth considering at the end of the season if we've won feck all , not when we're in the middle of a title challenge which most fans would agree we are . Do you think we are challenging or are we just there by luck ?

Title Challenge?



Do us a favour Andy...

We've played 14 games mate. There's 24 left. Under Houllier one season (I believe the season we signed Diouf) I seem to remember us starting the season with a run of 9 wins, 3 draws and no defeats, that wasn't exactly a title challenge now was it. By all means call it a title challenge if we're in a similar position after 30+ games mate, but after 14?

Sorry doesn't wash.

To add to that, we've had our fair share of luck this season so far, infact, i'd go as far as to say on occassion's we've been very lucky. On some occassion's we've earnt it, on others we haven't. Had Rafa not made his usual and customary ups and stupid arrogant fucktard team selections who knows were we would be?