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dawson99 wrote:

taff wrote:

dawson99 wrote:Just British Mulsims who hate democracy so go to training camps to kill innocent people is my guess. F'king cowards if you ask me.

To sacrifice your life and go to a firefight is not cowardly.  We have to now seriously look at why people are doing this and we have to seriously consider talking to these people.  There are some that will hate us whatever we do and we will always be at war with them but with others there will be a compromise.

I dont agree with caving in to terrorists but now especially with Bush on his way out we have to change tactics a la the Irish situation.  The IRA did not even speak on telly in the Thatcher years ( I feel sorry for the actor who must have been paid loads to do the voices ) But they are now part of the democratic process.

To go up in the army is not cowardice, to invade a holiday hotel is very fecking cowardly.

coming from someone who suggests nuking 3rd world countries to help their own? 

maypaxvobiscum wrote:speaking of bin Laden, his son just landed in Spain a few hours back. Sabre did you hear about his arrival? he is married to a 52 year old woman from GB. he looks so like Osama himself.

as for these group of terrorists...i think its brave of them. one would expect it to be a suicide bombing which takes a hell load of balls to begin with, but here we have these militants actually fighting. the last time anything similar took place was when the Indian parliament was taken hostage by Pakistanis almost leading to a war between the 2 countries.

Sabre wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

Judge wrote:When the Iberian peninsula was part of the Roman Empire there were several important settlements in the province, such as Segóbriga, Ercávica and Gran Valeria. However, the place where Cuenca is located today was uninhabited at that time.

After Muslim troops conquered the area in 714, they soon realized the value of this strategic location and they built Conca alcazaba (an Arabic fortress) between two gorges dug between the Júcar and Huécar rivers, surrounded by a one km long wall. Cuenca soon became an agricultural and textile manufacturing city, enjoying growing prosperity.

Around the twelfth century the Christians, living in northern Spain during the Muslim presence, started to slowly recover the Iberian peninsula. Castile took over western and central areas of Spain, while Aragon enlarged along the Mediterranean area. The Muslim Kingdom, Al-Andalus, started to break into small provinces (Reinos de taifas) under christian pressure, and in 1100 these areas were near Conca. Conca was conquered by Alfonso VIII , King of Castile, from the Taifa's Kingdom of Toledo in 1177. Previously it had been handed to Castile, under the marriage agreement between princess Zaida and Alfonso VI, but it was soon recovered by the Muslims in 1108, after the battle of Sagrajas.

Alfonso VIII granted a city title, and it was considered to be "Muy noble y muy leal" (Very noble and very faithful). It was given a name, the Fuero, written in Latin, that ruled Cuenca's citizenship, and it was considered one of the most perfect written at that period of time. During the next few centuries Cuenca enjoyed prosperity, thanks to textile manufacturing and livestock exploitation.The cathedral started to be built at that time, in an anglo-norman style, with many French workers, since Alfonso VIII's wife, Leonor de Plantagenet, was French


article taken from internet on 12th century spain

christians were hardly backward sabre

concept of jihad

christian rebuilding after expelling moors in 12th century spain

interesting articles

Where's the interesting articles about the Moors and Jews being driven out of Granada  and the start of the Spanish Inquisition in the 15th century?  You know, the ones where all Muslims and Jews in Spain were forced to denounce their faith and become Roman Catholic or face exile, torture or execution? 

All true that. We expelled them all, but the ones who wanted to convert to Christianity.

We even removed them the surnames. If they converted, they were given a Christian surname, normally the surname given was the name of the village or town where they lived. So when you find surnames of places, you're likely to be talking with a descendant of a converted one.

The article of Judge is interesting, but quite short. Since they came in 700, to 1200, the muslims did a lot of things in Spain.

Oh, and not everything was expelling them, we also lived together many centuries the muslims the christians and the jews. Spain wouldn't be Spain without the mixture of cultures.

Ciggy wrote:Not a suprise really is it? England is reputated for harboring a lot of fundamentalist and terrorists. And does fuck all about it. I mean Tony Blair let that one eyed hook handed fella preach hate on the streets of London.

Emerald Red wrote:I wonder if America will attack England next for harboring these so called terrorists. Come to think of it, I wonder if England will attack itself, I mean, wasn't this one of the mandates for going to war in the first place?

Ciggy wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:I wonder if America will attack England next for harboring these so called terrorists. Come to think of it, I wonder if England will attack itself, I mean, wasn't this one of the mandates for going to war in the first place?

England should not have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq it had feck all to do with us.

Emerald Red wrote:Ah, but parley with the Devil and ye get burned. Blair got into bed with Bush on that one and more fool him. The hypocrisy of such things beggars belief.