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Postby Bad Bob » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:26 pm

JBG wrote:I guess and a lot of other types of European diseases.

However, they were pretty handy with the sword and gun as well.  :D

Also exceedingly handy at strategically handing swords and guns to warring factions and standing back to wait for the ruckus to end before swooping in and taking what was valuable.
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Postby Judge » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:27 pm

beat you to it bob :p
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Postby Bam » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:32 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
JBG wrote:I guess and a lot of other types of European diseases.

However, they were pretty handy with the sword and gun as well.  :D

Also exceedingly handy at strategically handing swords and guns to warring factions and standing back to wait for the ruckus to end before swooping in and taking what was valuable.

While people are chipping in with their anti-European colonisation stories which are mostly true of course. Lets not generalise and say everything bad came from these explorers.

Take B. Bob for example, he probably wouldnt be living a good life in Canada sitting behind a monitor now if it wasnt for his European ancestors.

Talking of biting the hand that fed you.
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Postby Judge » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:33 pm

Bam wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
JBG wrote:I guess and a lot of other types of European diseases.

However, they were pretty handy with the sword and gun as well.  :D

Also exceedingly handy at strategically handing swords and guns to warring factions and standing back to wait for the ruckus to end before swooping in and taking what was valuable.

While people are chipping in with their anti-European colonisation stories which are mostly true of course. Lets not generalise and say everything bad came from these explorers.

Take B. Bob for example, he probably wouldnt be living a good life in Canada sitting behind a monitor now if it wasnt for his European ancestors.

perhaps if i went back in time and shot his grandpa, then bob wouldnt be locking your threads bam!! :D
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Postby Bam » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:35 pm

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Bam wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
JBG wrote:I guess and a lot of other types of European diseases.

However, they were pretty handy with the sword and gun as well.  :D

Also exceedingly handy at strategically handing swords and guns to warring factions and standing back to wait for the ruckus to end before swooping in and taking what was valuable.

While people are chipping in with their anti-European colonisation stories which are mostly true of course. Lets not generalise and say everything bad came from these explorers.

Take B. Bob for example, he probably wouldnt be living a good life in Canada sitting behind a monitor now if it wasnt for his European ancestors.

perhaps if i went back in time and shot his grandpa, then bob wouldnt be locking your threads bam!! :D

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Postby Judge » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:35 pm

who's that? :D
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Postby Bam » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:37 pm

Judge wrote:who's that? :D

The f.ucking bloke on telly with a time machine  :D
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Postby Judge » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:38 pm

Bam wrote:
Judge wrote:who's that? :D

The f.ucking bloke on telly with a time machine  :D

george wells?  :D

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Postby Bam » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:40 pm

Judge wrote:
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Judge wrote:who's that? :D

The f.ucking bloke on telly with a time machine  :D

george wells?  :D

No, Dr Who

Right Judge, just fecking find that time machine will ya  :D
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Postby Judge » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:40 pm

see above bam :D
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:46 pm

Judge wrote:
Bam wrote:
Judge wrote:who's that? :D

The f.ucking bloke on telly with a time machine  :D

george wells?  :D

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right im off to sort bob ancestors out

isnt he the guy from the 40 year old virgin?
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Postby Bad Bob » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:49 pm

Bam wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
JBG wrote:I guess and a lot of other types of European diseases.

However, they were pretty handy with the sword and gun as well.  :D

Also exceedingly handy at strategically handing swords and guns to warring factions and standing back to wait for the ruckus to end before swooping in and taking what was valuable.

While people are chipping in with their anti-European colonisation stories which are mostly true of course. Lets not generalise and say everything bad came from these explorers.

Take B. Bob for example, he probably wouldnt be living a good life in Canada sitting behind a monitor now if it wasnt for his European ancestors.

Talking of biting the hand that fed you.

You're right, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the colonialists but that doesn't mean that how they went about things was right.  I and many others (including your good self) have benefited from their actions but at great human cost.  I find it important not to lose sight of that fact.  :)
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Postby Judge » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:54 pm

Judge wrote:i dislike those people who claim to embrace british life, only to cause mayhem and death to those who support them when they were growing up etc.

housing, benefits, healthcare, education - all free. they have short memories. biting the hand that feeds them.

bam you share my sentiments on the last line mate
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Postby Sabre » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:56 pm

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Judge wrote:When the Iberian peninsula was part of the Roman Empire there were several important settlements in the province, such as Segóbriga, Ercávica and Gran Valeria. However, the place where Cuenca is located today was uninhabited at that time.

After Muslim troops conquered the area in 714, they soon realized the value of this strategic location and they built Conca alcazaba (an Arabic fortress) between two gorges dug between the Júcar and Huécar rivers, surrounded by a one km long wall. Cuenca soon became an agricultural and textile manufacturing city, enjoying growing prosperity.

Around the twelfth century the Christians, living in northern Spain during the Muslim presence, started to slowly recover the Iberian peninsula. Castile took over western and central areas of Spain, while Aragon enlarged along the Mediterranean area. The Muslim Kingdom, Al-Andalus, started to break into small provinces (Reinos de taifas) under christian pressure, and in 1100 these areas were near Conca. Conca was conquered by Alfonso VIII , King of Castile, from the Taifa's Kingdom of Toledo in 1177. Previously it had been handed to Castile, under the marriage agreement between princess Zaida and Alfonso VI, but it was soon recovered by the Muslims in 1108, after the battle of Sagrajas.

Alfonso VIII granted a city title, and it was considered to be "Muy noble y muy leal" (Very noble and very faithful). It was given a name, the Fuero, written in Latin, that ruled Cuenca's citizenship, and it was considered one of the most perfect written at that period of time. During the next few centuries Cuenca enjoyed prosperity, thanks to textile manufacturing and livestock exploitation.The cathedral started to be built at that time, in an anglo-norman style, with many French workers, since Alfonso VIII's wife, Leonor de Plantagenet, was French


article taken from internet on 12th century spain

christians were hardly backward sabre

concept of jihad

christian rebuilding after expelling moors in 12th century spain

interesting articles

Where's the interesting articles about the Moors and Jews being driven out of Granada  and the start of the Spanish Inquisition in the 15th century?  You know, the ones where all Muslims and Jews in Spain were forced to denounce their faith and become Roman Catholic or face exile, torture or execution?  ???

All true that. We expelled them all, but the ones who wanted to convert to Christianity.

We even removed them the surnames. If they converted, they were given a Christian surname, normally the surname given was the name of the village or town where they lived. So when you find surnames of places, you're likely to be talking with a descendant of a converted one.

The article of Judge is interesting, but quite short. Since they came in 700, to 1200, the muslims did a lot of things in Spain.

Oh, and not everything was expelling them, we also lived together many centuries the muslims the christians and the jews. Spain wouldn't be Spain without the mixture of cultures.
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Postby Judge » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:58 pm

Sabre wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Judge wrote:When the Iberian peninsula was part of the Roman Empire there were several important settlements in the province, such as Segóbriga, Ercávica and Gran Valeria. However, the place where Cuenca is located today was uninhabited at that time.

After Muslim troops conquered the area in 714, they soon realized the value of this strategic location and they built Conca alcazaba (an Arabic fortress) between two gorges dug between the Júcar and Huécar rivers, surrounded by a one km long wall. Cuenca soon became an agricultural and textile manufacturing city, enjoying growing prosperity.

Around the twelfth century the Christians, living in northern Spain during the Muslim presence, started to slowly recover the Iberian peninsula. Castile took over western and central areas of Spain, while Aragon enlarged along the Mediterranean area. The Muslim Kingdom, Al-Andalus, started to break into small provinces (Reinos de taifas) under christian pressure, and in 1100 these areas were near Conca. Conca was conquered by Alfonso VIII , King of Castile, from the Taifa's Kingdom of Toledo in 1177. Previously it had been handed to Castile, under the marriage agreement between princess Zaida and Alfonso VI, but it was soon recovered by the Muslims in 1108, after the battle of Sagrajas.

Alfonso VIII granted a city title, and it was considered to be "Muy noble y muy leal" (Very noble and very faithful). It was given a name, the Fuero, written in Latin, that ruled Cuenca's citizenship, and it was considered one of the most perfect written at that period of time. During the next few centuries Cuenca enjoyed prosperity, thanks to textile manufacturing and livestock exploitation.The cathedral started to be built at that time, in an anglo-norman style, with many French workers, since Alfonso VIII's wife, Leonor de Plantagenet, was French


article taken from internet on 12th century spain

christians were hardly backward sabre

concept of jihad

christian rebuilding after expelling moors in 12th century spain

interesting articles

Where's the interesting articles about the Moors and Jews being driven out of Granada  and the start of the Spanish Inquisition in the 15th century?  You know, the ones where all Muslims and Jews in Spain were forced to denounce their faith and become Roman Catholic or face exile, torture or execution?  ???

All true that. We expelled them all, but the ones who wanted to convert to Christianity.

We even removed them the surnames. If they converted, they were given a Christian surname, normally the surname given was the name of the village or town where they lived. So when you find surnames of places, you're likely to be talking with a descendant of a converted one.

The article of Judge is interesting, but quite short. Since they came in 700, to 1200, the muslims did a lot of things in Spain.

Oh, and not everything was expelling them, we also lived together many centuries the muslims the christians and the jews. Spain wouldn't be Spain without the mixture of cultures.

sounds like birmingham  :D
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