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[Sabre]

[Bam]

I guess and a lot of other types of European diseases.

However, they were pretty handy with the sword and gun as well. 

Also exceedingly handy at strategically handing swords and guns to warring factions and standing back to wait for the ruckus to end before swooping in and taking what was valuable.

While people are chipping in with their anti-European colonisation stories which are mostly true of course. Lets not generalise and say everything bad came from these explorers.

Take B. Bob for example, he probably wouldnt be living a good life in Canada sitting behind a monitor now if it wasnt for his European ancestors.

Talking of biting the hand that fed you.

You're right, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the colonialists but that doesn't mean that how they went about things was right.  I and many others (including your good self) have benefited from their actions but at great human cost.  I find it important not to lose sight of that fact. 

Equally, its not always one way traffic and negative impacts that the Colonialist had in History. I'm bored to death of hearing how the Brits, Spanish, Portuguese and a few other European nations caused such inhumane acts in times gone by. I'm not just fed up with you, but the general attitude towards colonialists in general. I wouldnt expect you're good self to be constantly reminded and told how bad you're European ancestors were in those days, as you're not European.

In certain parts of the World Bob people have lost sight of the good the Colonialists brought to certain shores.

I'm sure you would of heard of the 'Stolen Generation' here in Australia. It has been Dispised by many from around the World looking in, and no doubt at the time it was morally wrong for the British to take young Aboriginals away from their families. It was wrong, but I actually know an Aboriginal woman who was one of these 'Stolen persons. She works in a bank, was brought up with Love and Education, she Loves her White parents like they were her own. She visited the site, r the village she was taken from in the outback somewhere and told me ....... " I'm glad I dont live here, I consider myself lucky and I'm glad I was brought up in a family who loved and educated me. I couldnt live here" she said. 

Now while there are many Aboriginals who still resent what happened back then (which is fair enough) many also appreciated the missionaries from London Church and things like that, which people often leave out. The image of painting the Colonialists as tyrants and dictators (which they were in many cases) always seems to lose sight of the good they did to.

[maypaxvobiscum]

death toll stands at 146 while over 300 injured

[Sabre]

Edit, the lat figures are really sad.

It would be nice to recover the history thread, didn't we have one?

[Emerald Red]

To be honest, I've not even paid this any attention whatsoever. I've not watched the news. I've just no real interest in it. 140 odd people dead? By which means? Shot? Bombed?

[dawson99]

Evening Standard saying something about most of the attackers being british... great eh

[Judge]

Evening Standard saying something about most of the attackers being british... great eh

white brits daws?

or brit born?

[dawson99]

Brit Born asian muslim brits apparently, but not too many facts as yet lol

Probably someone whos been here for a year in between training camps and killing people

[maypaxvobiscum]

Evening Standard saying something about most of the attackers being british... great eh

maybe that was why they were separating the brits from the americans.

[taff]

An AK47 doesnt exactly leave your organs in a harvestable condition.

Whoever these people are they are trained and organised and this has been planned well either in a training camp or in Britain. 

Does anybody know anything about tactics in the British Army and have these been replicated or is it just a guess they were British

[dawson99]

Just British Mulsims who hate democracy so go to training camps to kill innocent people is my guess. F'king cowards if you ask me.

[maypaxvobiscum]

there are saying Deccan Muhajideen is just a front name for a bigger group such as Al Qaeda.
i honestly didnt hear a single report that any of them maybe british but i did hear that at least one is a pakistani national and that india is starting to point fingers in pakistan's direction.

[taff]

Just British Mulsims who hate democracy so go to training camps to kill innocent people is my guess. F'king cowards if you ask me.

To sacrifice your life and go to a firefight is not cowardly.  We have to now seriously look at why people are doing this and we have to seriously consider talking to these people.  There are some that will hate us whatever we do and we will always be at war with them but with others there will be a compromise.

I dont agree with caving in to terrorists but now especially with Bush on his way out we have to change tactics a la the Irish situation.  The IRA did not even speak on telly in the Thatcher years ( I feel sorry for the actor who must have been paid loads to do the voices ) But they are now part of the democratic process.

[maypaxvobiscum]

5 hostages killed in the jewish centre

[dawson99]

Just British Mulsims who hate democracy so go to training camps to kill innocent people is my guess. F'king cowards if you ask me.

To sacrifice your life and go to a firefight is not cowardly.  We have to now seriously look at why people are doing this and we have to seriously consider talking to these people.  There are some that will hate us whatever we do and we will always be at war with them but with others there will be a compromise.

I dont agree with caving in to terrorists but now especially with Bush on his way out we have to change tactics a la the Irish situation.  The IRA did not even speak on telly in the Thatcher years ( I feel sorry for the actor who must have been paid loads to do the voices ) But they are now part of the democratic process.

To go up in the army is not cowardice, to invade a holiday hotel is very fecking cowardly.