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Owzat wrote:

Scottbot wrote:

Owzat wrote:Voronin may not be ideal, but he did score four in his first 10 games for Liverpool and two in his last five. He's far from as bad as most on here like to knock him for being and he wouldn't cost a penny.

How many times have you pulled people (myself included) up for being selective with stats in this way ? And then you do it yourself?

How am I being selective? I pointed out he had his moments, not that he was fantastic. It's not as if I was even comparing him with anybody, just observing that he can score goals and yet the way some people talk you'd think he never did in a Liverpool shirt.

But then anyone can claim there is comparison between the two or more instances you are referring to with little proof there is any. I've never said Voronin was a great striker, however he cost nothing and was dumped just like that.

STRAIGHT COMPARISON

Keane - 4 goals in 21 appearances (0.190 goals/app) 63 mins per appearance

Voronin 6 goals in 28 appearances (0.214 goals/app) 57 mins per appearance


The reason I pick some people up on their stats is often because they are selective to try and make someone look better than they are. The last example being someone saying "Crouch made appearances as sub" Well so do other strikers, if you are going to adjust Crouch's stats then do likewise for other strikers. You're just bleating and stamping your feet because I've picked two spells where Voronin scored goals, even though I've done that to show he had his moments. EVEN TORRES has not played every minute of every game, he's made 61 appearances and nearly 1/5 of those were less than 60 minutes.

Jaysus, to some small minded people on here stats are knocked and accusations fly that they can be used to show anything. To other small minded people on here they are largely political because people don't like what other people's stats show. You've taken my stats completely out of context with the comments I made and used it for your own political device. Get over yourself

Owzat wrote:

The_Rock wrote:Ok here goes........

1)Babel
2)Lucas
3)Dossena

Have to get rid of these 3 players.... They don't have the minimum technique to play at this level.

I rather give pennant a game instead of babel. Pennant at least has a decent 1st touch....he doesn't lose the ball as much.

As for lucas.....if he is not sold soonest.....beneitz will drop either alonso or mashcherano for more games as an excuse to give lucas a game...

Agree to some extent about Pennant over Babel, square pegs and round holes etc.

But how much do you anticipate getting for those three players? I'd suggest we'd be looking at a loss on the £23.5m+ we spent on them.

DanAn - the 'standard jibe' about people spending too much time on FM or words to that effect, is because a lot of people talk about selling players and buying players like it's simple and without being remotely realistic. You have to find a buyer, the truth being those that could pay near what we did would not want them and those that would want them would pay a lot less than we paid.

Example

We paid £10m for Diouf. On FM/CM/Whatever you might sell him for £12m+ or maybe at a loss at £7.5m. There'd be a few bidders and you could find a real bargain to buy with the funds. In reality we don't know how little we got for him, the fact that Slumberland just paid £2.5m for him shows how much his fee decreased pretty rapidly. I'd hate to think how much he and Diouf cost us in losses.

So for Lucas we might get a bid or two of £2m, Dossena probably £3m-£4m and Babel maybe as much as £7m - unless we can find someone who rates any of them as highly as Rafa. We could get as much as £15m-£20m for them, more likely we'd get something like £10m because the clubs bidding are more likely to be teams like Bolton, Fulham, Stoke, Sunderland, Wigan and not the likes of Man Utd, Milan, Roma, Real Madrid. Babel is the most saleable of the three, even then he's done little since arriving to maintain a high fee based on potential.

So the reason for said "standard jibe" is that people list names to sell and talk of signing more players with the money as if it is easy.