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[devaney]

Ngog - I know he is young but is he going to be another Lucas let down?

[GYBS]

lucas let down ? The guy is only 21 give him a chance .

[devaney]

lucas let down ? The guy is only 21 give him a chance .

How many chances does he need. He may have a very smart Brazilian CV but frankly he is not good enough for the premiership and personally I don't think he ever will be. He doesn't score, he doesn't tackle, he doesn't create, he lacks imagination and he is very lightweight. Apart from that I quite like the lad!

[GYBS]

the guy still hasnt fully developed as a footballer - when he had a run of games last year when xabi was out he did well for us .

[heimdall]

the guy still hasnt fully developed as a footballer - when he had a run of games last year when xabi was out he did well for us .

You have an excuse for everything don't you GYBS, the eternal optimist. 

You see I don't agree with the argument that rafa had to assemble a massive squad, I would have preferred him to initially just buy quality players for the positions we really needed and then over time add to that with academy players and other quality purchases, much the same as Wenger is doing. If you look at the gooners last season they were doing brilliantly but were let down by not having a big enough squad but that can be fixed with additional quality purchases so that over time you end up with a quality squad, it is not fixed by buying a whole batch of 3rd rate players which dilutes the whole team.
Before you all start on me I do realise that Arsenal are struggling at the moment but when they play well they are a far more attractive team to watch than us, even with my biased hat on.

[GYBS]

the guy still hasnt fully developed as a footballer - when he had a run of games last year when xabi was out he did well for us .

You have an excuse for everything don't you GYBS, the eternal optimist. 

You see I don't agree with the argument that rafa had to assemble a massive squad, I would have preferred him to initially just buy quality players for the positions we really needed and then over time add to that with academy players and other quality purchases, much the same as Wenger is doing. If you look at the gooners last season they were doing brilliantly but were let down by not having a big enough squad but that can be fixed with additional quality purchases so that over time you end up with a quality squad, it is not fixed by buying a whole batch of 3rd rate players which dilutes the whole team.
Before you all start on me I do realise that Arsenal are struggling at the moment but when they play well they are a far more attractive team to watch than us, even with my biased hat on.

the thing is we had to buy a lot of players to fill a lot of areas that we needed filling over the years . players needed replacing and thats what rafa did .

And for all their attractive football what have arsenal won since rafa arrived ? Didly feck all . Their attractive football has so far seen them beaten how many times this year ? 3 ? 4 ? . i would rather play ugly football and win than attractive football and get beaten by stoke and hull city .

[tubby]

Lukas is a bloody joke. All other big Brazillian players are setting their leagues alight at 18-20 and we get the one one. Make that 2 if you count Aurelio. Ultimatley it comes to money and being able toget the best talent. Unless you are Arsene Wenger you have to pay big bucks to get young talent and quite frankly we dont have that kind of dosh. We can stretch maybe the odd top quality player here and there but even then im sure thats just put on the club and not paid for. Im frightened to think what will happen when Gerrard's best years are behind him. I just hope by then we are owned by someone with lots of wonga.

[GYBS]

Is lucas a big brazilian player thou ? he isnt a ronaldinho or a robinho and we didnt pay 20 odd million for him .

[maypaxvobiscum]

Lucas IS a highly rated player who is the captain of the under-21 Brazil team. he was also the player of the season or year or whatever. so yes i agree with you Bav. if he really was that good he should be pushing at least Alonso for a place in the first 11.

[GYBS]

If he hasnt progressed by the end of the season then he will go - simple as that - at the moment he is 4th choice cm - as i said before along the likes of Fletcher for the mancs .

[kalos]

Sell :

Lucas- Never ever a top 4 prem player..he is cr-p

Pennant - covered elsewhere

Voronin- nuff said

Babel -will never fulfil his potential due to lack of football brains- if he had them he would be Henri-like in his future ..

Dossena - if we can mug a club to buy him (swap for Riise?)

[tubby]

Sell :

Lucas- Never ever a top 4 prem player..he is cr-p

Pennant - covered elsewhere

Voronin- nuff said

Babel -will never fulfil his potential due to lack of football brains- if he had them he would be Henri-like in his future ..

Dossena - if we can mug a club to buy him (swap for Riise?)

Yep I agree with all that. But forget about bringing Riise back. We need someone young and fresh. Riise for all his goals was rusty in his last year.

I dont blame Rafa entirely for this mess. If you give him 6mil to spend on a midfielder then you have to gamble abroad. If you give him 15 - 20 Mil then thats a different story as you know where to look already.

[tubby]

Also Rafa is only here cos of the dedicated fans. Bless him he wants to win the league for us. But he is being asked to build a house with half the number of bricks needed. That's the reality of the situation.

[heimdall]

the guy still hasnt fully developed as a footballer - when he had a run of games last year when xabi was out he did well for us .

You have an excuse for everything don't you GYBS, the eternal optimist. 

You see I don't agree with the argument that rafa had to assemble a massive squad, I would have preferred him to initially just buy quality players for the positions we really needed and then over time add to that with academy players and other quality purchases, much the same as Wenger is doing. If you look at the gooners last season they were doing brilliantly but were let down by not having a big enough squad but that can be fixed with additional quality purchases so that over time you end up with a quality squad, it is not fixed by buying a whole batch of 3rd rate players which dilutes the whole team.
Before you all start on me I do realise that Arsenal are struggling at the moment but when they play well they are a far more attractive team to watch than us, even with my biased hat on.

the thing is we had to buy a lot of players to fill a lot of areas that we needed filling over the years . players needed replacing and thats what rafa did .

And for all their attractive football what have arsenal won since rafa arrived ? Didly feck all . Their attractive football has so far seen them beaten how many times this year ? 3 ? 4 ? . i would rather play ugly football and win than attractive football and get beaten by stoke and hull city .

Read my fecking posts properly!!! 

"Before you all start on me I do realise that Arsenal are struggling at the moment"

[heimdall]

Also Rafa is only here cos of the dedicated fans. Bless him he wants to win the league for us. But he is being asked to build a house with half the number of bricks needed. That's the reality of the situation.

So how much more money does he need then? another 200 million? He'd still probably buy players who work hard like Kuyt. In any case I can't see any manager being given a blank cheque like Maureen was for quite a few years, so he will have to be smart in the transfer market and that's what worries me, for all his tactial ability he fecks up too often with the transfers.
In my opinion the team Rafa took over was not that much worse than the team he has now assembled, I agree there have been improvements but we were still capable of top 4 finishes back then, kind of like we are now!