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by **Red Dotty** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:19 pm

Yes ok he's had an indifferent start to his life at Liverpool and i for one was hoping he was going to explode with all the tricks and the quality goal, but the lad is class and i am chuffed he is with us. I like seeing him get upset when he is taken off as it shows this means something to him.

I would however like to see Rafa give him some 90 minute games because as teams get tired he may just find the space to light the place up with goals.

KEANO, KEANO :bowdown

by **devaney** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:29 pm

Nanny - why are you responding to the son of Gary Neville ffs - he's a worthless :censored:

and I for one hope he isn't a Liverpool supporter - really can do without the garbage he comes out with !!

by **Owzat** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:06 pm

I wouldn't be quite so worried if he didn't have as many glaring misses to his name as he does goals. You can generally let misses pass if a player is trying, doing something towards the team effort etc, but not very bad misses that stick more in the mind than anything else he does. For instance Kuyt may miss the target, but recently he's getting our best efforts on target and scoring a few so you forgive him the misses. Same with Gerrard, his miss was nearly as bad as Keane's, but he makes up for it and so you tend not to dwell on it.

Or maybe I'm overcomplicating it and he needs to buck his ideas up and stick the easy chances away instead of missing them (completely)

by **tubby** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:20 pm

Well its not early any more. I was hoping after last week he would be doing the business but it seems he is still lacking in so much confidence. Jeez what does this guy need to do? Get him some hookers or something, anything please. I wonder at what point will the fans begin to get on his back? They dont seem to be shy of letting Rafa know what they think of Lucas after the boos today.

by **redhayesy** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:04 pm

bavlondon wrote:Well its not early any more. I was hoping after last week he would be doing the business but it seems he is still lacking in so much confidence. Jeez what does this guy need to do? Get him some hookers or something, anything please. I wonder at what point will the fans begin to get on his back? They dont seem to be shy of letting Rafa know what they think of Lucas after the boos today.

yes he was poor today mate, but i don"t want to see the back of him as much as i do lucas! at the end of the day, a stricker needs continued service throughout a game to give them a chance.

ok so robbie should of scored from the golden chance today, but also needs other chances to come his way to put it right! for me he wasn"t given that opportunity, as a result his head dropped but as any good striker,he needs decent service- our performance today lacked that.

by **tubby** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:08 pm

Luckily for him Rafa seems intent on playing him even if he is not doing well so he will get his chances.

by **agoodmentality** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:25 pm

I only seem to post on here when we've done :censored:

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I only seen the second half today, but Robbie Keane is really starting to :censored:

me off,

I missed the chance he had in the first half,(which i've heard was another sitter), It was that half chance in injury time which drove me mad.

fair enough, he did well to pluck the ball out of the air in the first place, but once you've got the ball under control, if you have your back to goal, with a defender behind you, the first thing you would do is look up, if our number 7 would've looked up he would;ve seen one of the world's best strikers open and in space right in front of him,
But no, Keane tries an audacious flick over the defenders head, which predictably didn't come off.
WTF

We can't afford luxury players in our team

I am phuking livid, i hope Rafa is,

every other regular starter is playing at a really high level right now,

It worries me that it is Keane's tranfer fee £20M FFS, that is keeping him in the team,

Would he still be in the team if he was a free transfer?

by **Number 9** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:45 am

agoodmentality wrote:I only seem to post on here when we've done .

I only seen the second half today, but Robbie Keane is really starting to me off,

I missed the chance he had in the first half,(which i've heard was another sitter), It was that half chance in injury time which drove me mad.

fair enough, he did well to pluck the ball out of the air in the first place, but once you've got the ball under control, if you have your back to goal, with a defender behind you, the first thing you would do is look up, if our number 7 would've looked up he would;ve seen one of the world's best strikers open and in space right in front of him,
But no, Keane tries an audacious flick over the defenders head, which predictably didn't come off.
WTF

We can't afford luxury players in our team

I am phuking livid, i hope Rafa is,

every other regular starter is playing at a really high level right now,

It worries me that it is Keane's tranfer fee £20M FFS, that is keeping him in the team,

Would he still be in the team if he was a free transfer?

Fair enough rant,im sure you are not the only fan to be frustrated with keane.i am as well,i expected more from him.BUT we are a third of the way into ONE season.We spent £20m yes but was that for 3 months or a 4or5 year contract??
Its frustrating because there is without doubt a better player in there than we have seen,its hardly cry yer lamps out time though!

As for Torres,great player but he done little to nothing today again by his standards,time they both started firing..and they will over Xmas and January!! :buttrock

by **Dundalk** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:54 am

Red Dotty wrote:KEANO, KEANO

His names not Fooking Keano, Robbie Keane !!

by **devaney** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:54 am

After Keane's performances against Bolton and Fulham when he missed absolute sitter's in both matches in both starts should he be th e automatic selection? To get the best out of Torres Gerrard needs to be playing up front.

by **Owzat** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:28 am

devaney wrote:After Keane's performances against Bolton and Fulham when he missed absolute sitter's in both matches in both starts should he be th e automatic selection? To get the best out of Torres Gerrard needs to be playing up front.

Many would still persist with him, but having just rewatched his chance 1on1 on SSN I wonder if he was looking up. I might be wrong, it was only one replay but if his eyes were on the ball and not the keeper then how does he expect to beat the keeper?!?!?

I thought come hoped there would be more in favour of reverting to Torres on his own up front in the poll, although I do nominate Rafa selecting Lucas ahead of Alonso as my primary concern for dropping points. I heard Fulham had the WORST AWAY RECORD and so we played Mascherano?!? And when it matters for Mascherano to be on the pitch he is often a little rash in his challenge and you have to wonder if he's any more use in some games than misses Keane

by **devaney** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:28 am

I've tried to be patient with Keane and I gave him the credit he deserved for his two well taken goals against West Brom which were one hell of a long time coming and against some poor defence and lousy goal keeping.

I have taken a bit of stick on this post for criticising Keane's time with Milan and several of you have suggested that my comments were either irrelevant or unfair. Well so far Keane has not convinced me that I am wrong. I am basically questioning Keane's ability at the highest level when the pressure is on to score goals which is one of the main reasons we bought him. I know he scored a lot of goals for Spurs but when did Spurs ever have true aspirations to win the Premiership and what is Keane's goal scoring record against the top teams? Keane is not on his own, many players fail to produce their best against top opposition. Lucas for example has clearly produced some fantastic performances in Brazil but the same really cannot be said about him in the Premiership.

I like Robbie and I am sure his all round contribution is one of the reasons we have improved this season but let's face it we have not thrashed anybody and in several matches we have had to rely on some impressive but risky do or die football. Robbie was also bought to reduce the pressure on Torres. Has that worked? Many people are saying give him time, look at Crouchy it took him 19 matches before he scored. The reality is that Crouch scored 22 goals in 85 matches which is not really that prolific. How much time do you have to give somebody that cost over £20m. If you bought a so-called state of the art machine for a factory and it's key function was failing would you simply say give it time?

by **Owzat** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:11 am

devaney wrote:and what is Keane's goal scoring record against the top teams? Keane is not on his own, many players fail to produce their best against top opposition.

It is true that top clubs are just that because they score goals and tend to concede less. Keane scored twice against us last season at Anfield, only one less than he's scored at Anfield this season! He scored against Chelsea in a 4-4, Arsenal in THAT 5-1 League Cup win, and against Man Utd in a 3-1 defeat last season. Other than that mostly against Reading (x2), Brum (x2), Bolton, Fulham (x2), Sunderland and Newcastle. Even Crouch had his moments against top sides, but Keane does seem to like scoring against the weaker defences or take a lot of chances to score. I mean that's nine goals last season against ordinary sides. Maybe it's as simple as who he played alongside ie Berbatov not Torres. Or expectation levels as you suggest. But expectation shouldn't really come into it, a chance is a chance and any pressure is psychological.

I think a fair few on here said at the time that Keane was never worth £20.3m at the age of 28 and far from a prolific goalscorer. Even then I thought he would produce a bit more in terms of goals. The problem is that the price tag will hang heavy, he'll not only be judged on it, but the mentality that he has to start frm the off has surfaced from the off.

by **Scottbot** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:22 am

Keane seems to be bearing the brunt of criticism (particularly in the match thread) after yesterday's draw and i'm guessing if he misses even a half chance in a game we fail to win he will continue to do so. I'd just emplore those of you who make DEFINITIVE statements about Keane to remember you were making similarly definitive comments about Kuyt as recently as September-October. Things can change quite quickly in football.

by **Sarge** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:32 am

redhayesy wrote:ok so robbie should of scored from the golden chance today, but also needs other chances to come his way to put it right! for me he wasn"t given that opportunity, as a result his head dropped but as any good striker,he needs decent service- our performance today lacked that.

So are you saying that only his performance last night he was not given a fair chance?...HELLO?....How many games have we played with him not scoring?

Most of the fans here agree that he is a good player.

And most of the fans also agree that he's not worth 20M and that is the whole f.uckin point. Would you pay 20M for a player like Torres or Keane?...

In my book, Keane only worth 10M at the most judging on his performance right now. He is a striker not a playmaker. His performance is then measured by the number of goals scored and not assists. So stop all this nonsense about not getting the service because good strikers CREATE the space and opportunity. Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, are good at that and they often are not given the fair service either but they score goals.

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