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by **metalhead** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:24 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Apparently Barry got injured in training today Foot injury

Good on barry, lower the valuation by injuring yourself

by **HacksawJimDuggin** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:36 pm

metalhead wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Apparently Barry got injured in training today Foot injury

Good on barry, lower the valuation by injuring yourself

Clever boy!

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:39 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Apparently Barry got injured in training today Foot injury

yeah right

couldnt see that one coming.

by **Reg** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:15 am

NANNY RED wrote:Apparently Barry got injured in training today Foot injury

Giving MON a good kicking ??

by **maguskwt** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:32 am

Reg wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Apparently Barry got injured in training today Foot injury

Giving MON a good kicking ??

by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:28 am

Rush Job wrote:whethe
bigmick wrote:Every morning when I get up I think we're bound to have signed him, and we haven't. I just hope we don't get into a Heinze situation here where the deal doesn't come off and then six weeks into the season we are ruing the fact that we didn't do the deal. We rectified that one by belatedly signing Skyrtel in the January window, but as we know it was a costly error. I still can't help thinking that whether it's Parry, Rafa, the owners or whoever else it doing the negotiating, we can't seem to get the hang of it.

Firstly we lose potential sell-on value for Crouch for letting his contract run down, then we offer too low for Barry and get strung out, then we don't meet the market on Alonso and end up with the buyers looking elsewhere. I'm not personally massively in favour of either the Alonso sale or the Barry buy (I'm kind of neutral on both TBH as I think we have more pressing priorities) but it really is hard to come to the conclusion that these situations are being well handled. Many have said that Xabi is a good pro for instance and I think he is too, but in fairness it is just as well the way he has been treated these last few weeks. Fecking rubbish way to treat a bloke who seems to all intents and purposes to be a really nice fella IMHO.

Parry does the negotiating not Rafa and we didnt just let Crouch's contract run down we offered him a new deal and he knocked us back so we sold for a profit, where's the problem, i dont know why you seem content to make out Rafa handled the situation poorly in every other post you make, i enjoy reading your opinions mate its just when you state the same think over and over again it gets a bit much.

Sorry if it's all getting a "bit much" for you Rushie, but I'm sure if you re-read my original post, particularly the bit which says "whether it's Parry, Rafa, the owners or whoever else it is doing the negotiating we can't seem to get the hang of it" it should calm your palpatations a little.

Perhaps on this occasion we might be falling into the trap of being just a tinsy wincy over protective of our learned manager, not for the first time either it has to be said :;):

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by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:37 am

Rush Job wrote:
Reg wrote:LFC have made a special appeal to UEFA to extend the transfer window another 6 months because once Rafa finally decides whether he´s going to buy Barry, he´s still got to sell Alonso then turn his attention to Keane.

One things for sure, Rafa doesnt exactly get a move on does he?

Once again in the modern game its down to the CEO to conclude transfers not the manager, the last top flight manager to be able to handle money was David O'leary, it is now fully the domain of the CEO. I dare say Rafa is just as p!ssed off with this situation as we are, why do you thing they dont get on, because Parry cant deliver his targets. From what i understand Rafa gets to be more involved when dealing with spanish clubs, so its no supprise those deals seem to be done over night.

Since you've stirred me up and I've got nobody else to argue with, I noticed this one too. Are we to assume that rafa just says "buy Barry" and Parry goes off and does the business.

He then comes back and says, "got him boss, 25 million" and Rafa has no say in how much we bid? Rafa goes "feck me i thought he was only worth ten".

Is it actually Parry we should be congratulating for buying Torres for what now looks like a bargain price, ditto Crouch, Sissoko and Alonso? Or by "does the negotiating" do you mean he goes in the room and actually signs the forms?

My suspicion is that Rafa is actually given a budget, and is then told that any extra revenue will have to raised in transfer sales. From there he wheels and deals, tries to buy a wee bit cheaper, sell a wee bit dearer and pay a slighly smaller salary and signing on fee. There will be a budget for overall player wages per financial year, and no doubt the accountant keeps him up to speed as to how much he has saved by knocking for instance Crouch off the wage bill. He will no doubt then meet with the Chief Executive and then board will meet periodically to discuss where we are. They'll do swerves where they don't pay up front for a player but in installments, calculated to the nth degree to take into account potential interest rate fluctuations.

I'm sure it's all quite complicated once you go into it.

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:16 am

Reg wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Apparently Barry got injured in training today Foot injury

Giving MON a good kicking ??

GARETH BARRY escaped a face-to-face confrontation with Martin O’Neill yesterday when the Aston Villa boss snubbed his return to training.

Liverpool target Barry was back at Villa’s Bodymoor Heath headquarters for the first time since being banned by O’Neill for newspaper comments.

The England star had braced himself for an uncomfortable reunion. But after arriving at 9.20am, Barry left four hours later without any sign of an O’Neill appearance as the boss had ‘prior appointments’.

Barry suffered a slight foot injury in a 90-minute training session before leaving in his black Aston Martin without comment.

He is now out of Saturday’s Intertoto Cup first-leg tie with Odense BK.

O’Neill was forced to let Barry, 27, back into training as clubs cannot suspend players for more than 14 days.

by **Owzat** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:47 am

Rafa was questioned on the bidding for players and said he was concentrating on pre-season, so I guess he's waiting until he's back in England. That isn't going to give any new players much pre-season if any, the alleged bidding process for Barny has gone on since before (or at least during) the Euros and we're still no closer - not that I want him. Not that many of the first team have had much of an outing so far, I hope our main players don't lack fitness at the start of the season as we've a pretty testing game pretty early on.

by **NiftyNeil** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:59 am

Owzat wrote:Rafa was questioned on the bidding for players and said he was concentrating on pre-season, so I guess he's waiting until he's back in England. That isn't going to give any new players much pre-season if any, the alleged bidding process for Barny has gone on since before (or at least during) the Euros and we're still no closer - not that I want him. Not that many of the first team have had much of an outing so far, I hope our main players don't lack fitness at the start of the season as we've a pretty testing game pretty early on.

Don't take Rafa so literally. He always fobs people off in interviews. How many times does he sidestep a question with "I'm just concentrating on our next game"? It doesn't mean said question is not at the forefront of his mind.
Also, don't be so naive to think that senior players may not be fit for the start of the season, we always play the kids in the first few preseason games. By the time the Lazio game arrives, it will pretty much be the starting XI for the new season.

by **tubby** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:19 am

Enough of this mess. Leave this guy and go for someone from Spain.

by **lakes10** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:35 am

Barry has no foot injury.
If he did play in the Intertoto Cup there is a small chane this could make him cup tied for the uefa cup (if we ended up in it).
this happend to a player 3 years ago and was only overuled after the first game of the uefa cup was over.

I am not sure about this but it what was said on Radio 5 late last night.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:02 am

lakes10 wrote:Barry has no foot injury.
If he did play in the Intertoto Cup there is a small chane this could make him cup tied for the uefa cup (if we ended up in it).
this happend to a player 3 years ago and was only overuled after the first game of the uefa cup was over.

I am not sure about this but it what was said on Radio 5 late last night.

What do you mean if we ended up in it , The Intertoto is a seperate comp from EUFA and Champions league surley.

They have to win that first before they can go into the EUFA.

I thought they were all seperate compertitions

Maybe im wrong

by **lakes10** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:14 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
lakes10 wrote:Barry has no foot injury.
If he did play in the Intertoto Cup there is a small chane this could make him cup tied for the uefa cup (if we ended up in it).
this happend to a player 3 years ago and was only overuled after the first game of the uefa cup was over.

I am not sure about this but it what was said on Radio 5 late last night.

What do you mean if we ended up in it , The Intertoto is a seperate comp from EUFA and Champions league surley.

They have to win that first before they can go into the EUFA.

I thought they were all seperate compertitions

Maybe im wrong

as i say i am not sure about all this but they are still linked, as you said the winner wold go onto the next step, winning the Intertoto Cup can been seen as round 1.

it was overturned last time as it had never come up before but i am not sure what the rules say now and if they said they would or would not be cup tied from that point on.

Bit like when the rule was set after we won the CL and did not end up in the top 4 that year.

by **Rush Job** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:46 pm

bigmick wrote:
Rush Job wrote:whethe
bigmick wrote:Every morning when I get up I think we're bound to have signed him, and we haven't. I just hope we don't get into a Heinze situation here where the deal doesn't come off and then six weeks into the season we are ruing the fact that we didn't do the deal. We rectified that one by belatedly signing Skyrtel in the January window, but as we know it was a costly error. I still can't help thinking that whether it's Parry, Rafa, the owners or whoever else it doing the negotiating, we can't seem to get the hang of it.

Firstly we lose potential sell-on value for Crouch for letting his contract run down, then we offer too low for Barry and get strung out, then we don't meet the market on Alonso and end up with the buyers looking elsewhere. I'm not personally massively in favour of either the Alonso sale or the Barry buy (I'm kind of neutral on both TBH as I think we have more pressing priorities) but it really is hard to come to the conclusion that these situations are being well handled. Many have said that Xabi is a good pro for instance and I think he is too, but in fairness it is just as well the way he has been treated these last few weeks. Fecking rubbish way to treat a bloke who seems to all intents and purposes to be a really nice fella IMHO.

Parry does the negotiating not Rafa and we didnt just let Crouch's contract run down we offered him a new deal and he knocked us back so we sold for a profit, where's the problem, i dont know why you seem content to make out Rafa handled the situation poorly in every other post you make, i enjoy reading your opinions mate its just when you state the same think over and over again it gets a bit much.

Sorry if it's all getting a "bit much" for you Rushie, but I'm sure if you re-read my original post, particularly the bit which says "whether it's Parry, Rafa, the owners or whoever else it is doing the negotiating we can't seem to get the hang of it" it should calm your palpatations a little.

Perhaps on this occasion we might be falling into the trap of being just a tinsy wincy over protective of our learned manager, not for the first time either it has to be said .

No need for the sarcy attitude, i was only informing you of the facts, theres not a lot we can do with a lad who doesnt want to stay, but thats me being over protective of the boss? what ever mate im not even going to bother with that sh!te.

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