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Postby heimdall » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:38 am

s@int wrote:I think one of the reasons that we are being asked to pay over the odds for both Keane and Barry is that its a bit like someone trying to buy Carra off us...... the price we would want (if we were a selling club)would be way more than Carra is actually worth as a player.

As for players I would like to see us interested in....... Diego, Van Der Vaart, Arshavin, Silva, all around £15million..........Aguero, Eto'o, Villa £20+million  - all top quality players, and while we may only be able to buy one of the more expensive ones, if we keep Alonso I see no real problem. Plus there must be loads more I have either forgotten or never heard of that would fit the bill.

Players that we could buy for what they are actually worth rather than players we are paying a hefty premium for because like Carra they want more than their real value.

This is where I disagree with you, not over the players you named, they are all great players but your valuations are way off. All of those players would cost more and be a much bigger gamble than Keane and/or Barry. You would be fairy confident that those two would slot into the team fairly easily, can you guarantee the same about those other players?  That is where the extra cost comes from and personally I think it's a price well worth paying.
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Postby Toffeehater » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:03 pm

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s@int wrote:I think one of the reasons that we are being asked to pay over the odds for both Keane and Barry is that its a bit like someone trying to buy Carra off us...... the price we would want (if we were a selling club)would be way more than Carra is actually worth as a player.

As for players I would like to see us interested in....... Diego, Van Der Vaart, Arshavin, Silva, all around £15million..........Aguero, Eto'o, Villa £20+million  - all top quality players, and while we may only be able to buy one of the more expensive ones, if we keep Alonso I see no real problem. Plus there must be loads more I have either forgotten or never heard of that would fit the bill.

Players that we could buy for what they are actually worth rather than players we are paying a hefty premium for because like Carra they want more than their real value.

This is where I disagree with you, not over the players you named, they are all great players but your valuations are way off. All of those players would cost more and be a much bigger gamble than Keane and/or Barry. You would be fairy confident that those two would slot into the team fairly easily, can you guarantee the same about those other players?  That is where the extra cost comes from and personally I think it's a price well worth paying.

No offense heimdall , but i can't believe i'm saying this but i think he's spot on . There's no way either of those players you have mentioned are wort 15 million and also they might be doubts whether they could adapt?
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:44 pm

Lee J wrote:both Barry and Keane WANT to play for Liverpool. end of.

David Villa wants to stay in Spain, Arshavin wants to play for Barca, blah blah blah

Keane is a cracking striker, he WANTS to play for Liverpool - get him.

Who said he does?  Didn't Keane turn down an offer from us twice before?
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Postby John Kegs » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:56 pm

This 20mil stuff is crazy, am i the only one who thinks a player of his calibre isn't worth anywhere near that amount
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Postby Paul C » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:00 pm

John Kegs wrote:This 20mil stuff is crazy, am i the only one who thinks a player of his calibre isn't worth anywhere near that amount

I agree mate, no where near worth £20m imo, no more than £13m MAXIMUM.
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Postby bigmick » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:56 am

The fee for both players is an interesting one. They both look overpriced to me, but then again it's probably worth noting that neither represent too much of a gamble based on what we've seen. You are getting proven Premiership quality and for that you've got to pay. You are buying two players who are arguably the best players at their respective clubs, two lads who aren't going to go missing Away at Hull, and two blokes who in all probably won't get involved in trying to smash one of their teammates heads in with a seven iron. Based on what we've seen from them previously, neither give you the impression they'll be blinging it up in the Newz bar on a Tuesday night, giving it the "Westside" with the inverted "V" signs and no doubt sporting a skew-whiff baseball cap complete with some indecipherable diamante logo.

No, with these two blokes you are buying proven quality and maturity. Proven good porfessionals, who almost certainly would and will improve our team overnight. Neither have won much so you are buying hunger, blokes who would rightly consider this their first last and only chance to win the Premiership for example. You are buying players who you absolutely know will be able to aclimatise, to fit in with the dressing room from day one, players who are in all likelyhood right at their peak.

Will they be worth the cash? Well it's really a question of how much they improve us I guess. If we were to go and win the Premiership with both Keane and Barry in the team, then obviously they are well worth the fees. If on the other hand we are well behind the leaders again but still finish inside the top four, it would probably be legitimate to come to the conclusion that we could have done that anyway and saved ourselves some dosh.

Clearly we need to buy a striker, if for no other reason than Torres could potentially get injured. Now I know they have fans on here, but I am absolutely convinced that if Toores did get injured and we asked either Kuyt or Voronin to fill in on his own up top, we'd be fecked pretty sharpish. Babel possibily, and only possibly maybe able to cover for a game or two, but really we need quality. Keane works for me. Provided he's not being brought in so as to facilitate sillyness with the selection I think he'll be a good buy. If we bring him in and play 4-4-2, then for me we improve. We also then have the option (or indeed possibility if you prefer) of resting him or Torres and going 4-5-1. Similarly Barry is better on the left side in a 4-4-2 than anyone else we have currently, and in all probablity better at being the link man in a 4-5-1 than Alonso currently is. His though is the signing out of the two I could live most with forgetting about, but I can certainly see the attraction of signing just about the best left footed midfielder in the Premiership right now.

Like I've said before a couple of times, I'm not exactly a "In Rafa I trust"er but i do in the main think that when the manager spends big he tends to get it right. I'm pretty confident that if we sign these two players, he will this time as well.
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Postby Rush Job » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:38 am

bigmick wrote:The fee for both players is an interesting one. They both look overpriced to me, but then again it's probably worth noting that neither represent too much of a gamble based on what we've seen. You are getting proven Premiership quality and for that you've got to pay. You are buying two players who are arguably the best players at their respective clubs, two lads who aren't going to go missing Away at Hull, and two blokes who in all probably won't get involved in trying to smash one of their teammates heads in with a seven iron. Based on what we've seen from them previously, neither give you the impression they'll be blinging it up in the Newz bar on a Tuesday night, giving it the "Westside" with the inverted "V" signs and no doubt sporting a skew-whiff baseball cap complete with some indecipherable diamante logo.

No, with these two blokes you are buying proven quality and maturity. Proven good porfessionals, who almost certainly would and will improve our team overnight. Neither have won much so you are buying hunger, blokes who would rightly consider this their first last and only chance to win the Premiership for example. You are buying players who you absolutely know will be able to aclimatise, to fit in with the dressing room from day one, players who are in all likelyhood right at their peak.

Will they be worth the cash? Well it's really a question of how much they improve us I guess. If we were to go and win the Premiership with both Keane and Barry in the team, then obviously they are well worth the fees. If on the other hand we are well behind the leaders again but still finish inside the top four, it would probably be legitimate to come to the conclusion that we could have done that anyway and saved ourselves some dosh.

Clearly we need to buy a striker, if for no other reason than Torres could potentially get injured. Now I know they have fans on here, but I am absolutely convinced that if Toores did get injured and we asked either Kuyt or Voronin to fill in on his own up top, we'd be fecked pretty sharpish. Babel possibily, and only possibly maybe able to cover for a game or two, but really we need quality. Keane works for me. Provided he's not being brought in so as to facilitate sillyness with the selection I think he'll be a good buy. If we bring him in and play 4-4-2, then for me we improve. We also then have the option (or indeed possibility if you prefer) of resting him or Torres and going 4-5-1. Similarly Barry is better on the left side in a 4-4-2 than anyone else we have currently, and in all probablity better at being the link man in a 4-5-1 than Alonso currently is. His though is the signing out of the two I could live most with forgetting about, but I can certainly see the attraction of signing just about the best left footed midfielder in the Premiership right now.

Like I've said before a couple of times, I'm not exactly a "In Rafa I trust"er but i do in the main think that when the manager spends big he tends to get it right. I'm pretty confident that if we sign these two players, he will this time as well.

Cant argue with that, top post. :buttrock
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Postby redsince2001 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:55 am

Rush Job wrote:
bigmick wrote:The fee for both players is an interesting one. They both look overpriced to me, but then again it's probably worth noting that neither represent too much of a gamble based on what we've seen. You are getting proven Premiership quality and for that you've got to pay. You are buying two players who are arguably the best players at their respective clubs, two lads who aren't going to go missing Away at Hull, and two blokes who in all probably won't get involved in trying to smash one of their teammates heads in with a seven iron. Based on what we've seen from them previously, neither give you the impression they'll be blinging it up in the Newz bar on a Tuesday night, giving it the "Westside" with the inverted "V" signs and no doubt sporting a skew-whiff baseball cap complete with some indecipherable diamante logo.

No, with these two blokes you are buying proven quality and maturity. Proven good porfessionals, who almost certainly would and will improve our team overnight. Neither have won much so you are buying hunger, blokes who would rightly consider this their first last and only chance to win the Premiership for example. You are buying players who you absolutely know will be able to aclimatise, to fit in with the dressing room from day one, players who are in all likelyhood right at their peak.

Will they be worth the cash? Well it's really a question of how much they improve us I guess. If we were to go and win the Premiership with both Keane and Barry in the team, then obviously they are well worth the fees. If on the other hand we are well behind the leaders again but still finish inside the top four, it would probably be legitimate to come to the conclusion that we could have done that anyway and saved ourselves some dosh.

Clearly we need to buy a striker, if for no other reason than Torres could potentially get injured. Now I know they have fans on here, but I am absolutely convinced that if Toores did get injured and we asked either Kuyt or Voronin to fill in on his own up top, we'd be fecked pretty sharpish. Babel possibily, and only possibly maybe able to cover for a game or two, but really we need quality. Keane works for me. Provided he's not being brought in so as to facilitate sillyness with the selection I think he'll be a good buy. If we bring him in and play 4-4-2, then for me we improve. We also then have the option (or indeed possibility if you prefer) of resting him or Torres and going 4-5-1. Similarly Barry is better on the left side in a 4-4-2 than anyone else we have currently, and in all probablity better at being the link man in a 4-5-1 than Alonso currently is. His though is the signing out of the two I could live most with forgetting about, but I can certainly see the attraction of signing just about the best left footed midfielder in the Premiership right now.

Like I've said before a couple of times, I'm not exactly a "In Rafa I trust"er but i do in the main think that when the manager spends big he tends to get it right. I'm pretty confident that if we sign these two players, he will this time as well.

Cant argue with that, top post. :buttrock

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Postby bunglemark2 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:53 am

I understood it that the deal with Keane was to be wrapped up last weekend...what's the latest on the "deal" ave we made firm or official approaches to Spurs ?
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:05 am

bunglemark2 wrote:I understood it that the deal with Keane was to be wrapped up last weekend...what's the latest on the "deal" ave we made firm or official approaches to Spurs ?

nope we've made an illeagel attempt to 'tap' him up.  :D  you know us, never do it the easy way
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Postby RedBen » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:09 am

Lee J wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:I understood it that the deal with Keane was to be wrapped up last weekend...what's the latest on the "deal" ave we made firm or official approaches to Spurs ?

nope we've made an illeagel attempt to 'tap' him up.  :D  you know us, never do it the easy way

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Postby stmichael » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:02 am

bunglemark2 wrote:I understood it that the deal with Keane was to be wrapped up last weekend...what's the latest on the "deal" ave we made firm or official approaches to Spurs ?

having a medical on wednesday.
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Postby JC_81 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:05 am

stmichael wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:I understood it that the deal with Keane was to be wrapped up last weekend...what's the latest on the "deal" ave we made firm or official approaches to Spurs ?

having a medical on wednesday.

How do you know that St Mike?

Great news if true, but I thought Levy's comments in the press complaining about us tapping Keane up would make a deal less likely.
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Postby stmichael » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:12 am

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bunglemark2 wrote:I understood it that the deal with Keane was to be wrapped up last weekend...what's the latest on the "deal" ave we made firm or official approaches to Spurs ?

having a medical on wednesday.

How do you know that St Mike?

Great news if true, but I thought Levy's comments in the press complaining about us tapping Keane up would make a deal less likely.

Elisha Scott on YNWA is saying in. He's pretty much in the know on these things. Also, nearly every paper is reporting that the deal will be finalised this week.

Levy can f#ck off anyway. This is the same guy who was away talking to Juande Ramos about taking over at Spurs whilst Martin Jol was still manager.
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Postby John Kegs » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:29 am

stmichael wrote:This is the same guy who was away talking to Juande Ramos about taking over at Spurs whilst Martin Jol was still manager.

sounds familiar
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