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by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:31 pm

Justed ripped this from rawk if your interested.

Week by week it’s becoming clearer that Hicks and Gillett are holding the club back and hurting its support. We’ve got a manager who (according to yesterday’s Liverpool Echo) is unable to go for a terrific young prospect in Aaron Ramsey because he’s got to concentrate on the first team on what is, relatively speaking, a shoestring. There can be no signing for the future. Liverpool FC is likely to be outspent this summer by more than Manchester Utd and Chelsea (the benchmark in at home and in Europe and the target to catch) but also by Manchester City, West Ham and Tottenham Hotspur. There’s no Daniel Alves, there’s Philip Degan. Degan may be a good player or he may not, but he does not have a strong shout to be the world’s leading right back. He is available for free, however.

Let’s remember why David Moores wanted to sell in the first place – to keep the playing side strong while a new stadium could be built for Liverpool FC.

We can only presume he didn’t sell it to watch Liverpool supporters get fleeced in this eternal chase for elusive cash. This week we discovered that fancards are getting replaced. You know fancards, the things described in the club’s own charter as “the only card that you will need with Liverpool Football Club”. A one off payment of £3.50. They are getting replaced by a card which will have to be paid for on an annual basis. Liverpool FC being Liverpool FC, they haven’t released all the information yet but we rang today and got some answers. This isn’t set in stone but we were told it will be an annual charge of £29 for adults and £20 for children. Fan cards will run concurrently with this scheme, that will include a ticket exchange, for one season and then it’s the annual fee or nothing. The scheme will be confirmed before July 1st. Do we expect any greater efficiency or is it simply a matter of wringing every last penny out of supporters? Let’s phrase it this way, for an adult and two children to even be in with a chance to buy a ticket for a league game prior to the new stadium hopefully opening in 2012 (we understand anyone raising their eyebrows), it’s £207. £207. That’s before you’ve seen a ball kicked. Looking at that, and given that Hicks and Gillett need every penny, we suspect it’s the latter.

Is George Gillett still looking for every last penny? Well, why is he still here? Gillett is happy enough to give the impression he wants to sell. Well, SOS has been told he can sell whenever he wants. The opportunity is there to get out of our club. Why hasn’t he? Remember, George Gillett also said it was “about the fans and the winning tradition”; he said he “wasn’t someone who goes and hides” and he said “our job is to be custodians of this franchise, not owners of this franchise.” Well the fans want him out and he can’t supply the funds required to carry on that winning tradition. He has actively looked to hide away from the glare of the fans – that stops today. The pressure on George Gillett starts now. George: Either start explaining why you aren’t selling or sell.

This, these vagaries over the “custodianship” with one indicating he wants out but malingering, the other constantly looking to place the club into further debt, the shortage of a transfer budget, the desire to bleed fans dry to make up for the financial shortcomings, this is Liverpool FC today. This is your club in the summer of 2008. What are we all going to do about it?

We’re repossessing the club. Sunday. You’ve seen the other statement. If you haven’t, it’s easy - Anfield, Sunday. It’s time we said enough is enough. It’s time we repossess before someone else gets the chance. It’s our club after all. We feel every part of it. The manager’s limited budget is our limited budget. The plans for the new ground are the plans for our new ground. And the massive debts are definitely debts we’ll be repaying if Hicks and Gillett have their way.

Sunday. Anfield. Email or PM for a time and place. Spread the word and see you there.

Spirit Of Shankly.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:21 pm

Wheres a new stadium you two promised after 60 days of taking over yer pair of lying tw@ts.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:52 pm

you know what these two twats just keep pushing and pushing and pushing but what they dont realise is, well if they do they dont give a shit is that the hatred against them is building to a point where it is going to explode, maybe they think a few fans singing against them in the stadium is all any protest will amount too, well keep pushing you fooking twats because week by week the amount of people prepared to actually stand up and do something is growing.

if any fans could make a stand against these scum and actually make a difference then its us.

Liverpool football club is in the wrong hands, what are you going to do about it

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:13 pm

who lives in Liverpool on here and the surrounding areas are you free on sunday? If so pm me for details.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:17 pm

Cheers Lynds , i've replied to your pm.

by **NANNY RED** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:59 pm

Pmd Cigg

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:48 pm

Keep it off the forums - anyone who may partake in anything that might transpire pm us - will meet for a bevvy.

by **Rafa D** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:20 pm

Some one PM me details.

by **Reg** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:00 pm

How many tickets are available at a home game once you take out the season tickets and away fans - 3,000?

So how many people might sign up for the fancard to get a ticket? 5,000?

5,000 x 29 = 145,000 quid. Hardly going to buy us the next Zidane is it?

Am I missing something?

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:13 pm

Reg wrote:How many tickets are available at a home game once you take out the season tickets and away fans - 3,000?

So how many people might sign up for the fancard to get a ticket? 5,000?

5,000 x 29 = 145,000 quid. Hardly going to buy us the next Zidane is it?

Am I missing something?

Yes you are . Do you know how many fans have a fancard at the moment , no niether do i . Ok i'll give a little guess though . I'd say at the very least 75,000 to 100,000. That in my view is underplaying the numbers. So you know when you try and phone up to get a ticket using your fancard and your on the end of the phone trying and trying for hours on end . Thats because there are a hell of alot of people with fancards trying to do similar. Hope that helps.

by **Reg** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:21 pm

Ok Igor, so lets say of the 75-100,000, 50,000 sign up thats, 1,450,000 quid a year.

For the cost of issuing a plastic card. Nice business eh, money for nothing but it would certainly help pay the academy wages etc... no?

If fans dont pay the club increased revenue how do we make up for the fact we have a shiit small stadium compared to ManUre and are losing out on 10's of million of quid revenue every year due to that?

There is commercial logic behind it, its just that we dont want it to happen to us, no?

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:34 pm

Reg wrote:Ok Igor, so lets say of the 75-100,000, 50,000 sign up thats, 1,450,000 quid a year.

For the cost of issuing a plastic card. Nice business eh, money for nothing but it would certainly help pay the academy wages etc... no?

If fans dont pay the club increased revenue how do we make up for the fact we have a shiit small stadium compared to ManUre and are losing out on 10's of million of quid revenue every year due to that?

There is commercial logic behind it, its just that we dont want it to happen to us, no?

How much is a fancard now £2,50 £3 , how can they justify putting the prices up to £29.00 for something that's going to do exactly the same thing , it's feckin outrageous. Your dead right it's logical commercially . It's just the start of the sucker fans paying for there i repeat there debt . :veryangry

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:12 pm

Reg wrote:Ok Igor, so lets say of the 75-100,000, 50,000 sign up thats, 1,450,000 quid a year.

For the cost of issuing a plastic card. Nice business eh, money for nothing but it would certainly help pay the academy wages etc... no?

If fans dont pay the club increased revenue how do we make up for the fact we have a shiit small stadium compared to ManUre and are losing out on 10's of million of quid revenue every year due to that?

There is commercial logic behind it, its just that we dont want it to happen to us, no?

Look Reg - no offence but you know sh.it all over there in Brazil.

If it affected you you would know why its a joke.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:38 pm

The point is we are paying them fuckers to buy us.

Another thing that has come to light over the past few days is that George Gillet can sell his share any time he wishes and could have sold to DIC, he's a sly b@stard and is not to be trusted.

I hate Hicks with a passion because of his brash attitude, but make no mistake Gillet is just as bad if not worst and any road he knew of Hicks record and brought him in as his partner knowing that they both would eventually kill the club.

They knew there was healthy buyer waiting in the wings DIC and the way its looking to me is this was their plan all along.
To invest as little as possible and make a whopping big wedge when they sell greedy fuckin b@stards.

The two of them have invested 20 million pound each that is all If any of us had 20 million lying around we could have bought our club.

I cant go on sunday obviously but I am sending me mum and her fella in my place.

by **NANNY RED** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:44 pm

Thanks for the pm cigg

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