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by **Igor Zidane** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:17 pm

I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.

by **Number 9** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:21 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.

Lots of people saying theres something i like about him,but dont know what it is or as said above theres something in him waiting to come out!

I'll tell you's all why,its because he won the golden ball award in Brazil!
He looks to me like he plays with a golden ball stuck up his ar.se.
I just expected a hell of a lot more,his youth is no excuse.If he was going to be 'world class' as some expect he would have shown something by now at 21.A cross when in space is not suffice to excuse the fact he played awfully at Brum and has looked out of his league in 90% of the games he has been given a chance in since signing!

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:40 am

Number 9 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.

Lots of people saying theres something i like about him,but dont know what it is or as said above theres something in him waiting to come out!

I'll tell you's all why,its because he won the golden ball award in Brazil!
He looks to me like he plays with a golden ball stuck up his ar.se.
I just expected a hell of a lot more,his youth is no excuse.If he was going to be 'world class' as some expect he would have shown something by now at 21.A cross when in space is not suffice to excuse the fact he played awfully at Brum and has looked out of his league in 90% of the games he has been given a chance in since signing!

Lucas is a very special player. Did you not see his goal against Havant or his through ball to Voronin against Arsenal? The guy has lots of potential, but you can see that it's difficult for him to express himself because of the physicality of the English game and our style of football. I think Lucas would be great in a team like Barca or Arsenal, where the players are always moving.

by **Number 9** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:38 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.

Lots of people saying theres something i like about him,but dont know what it is or as said above theres something in him waiting to come out!

I'll tell you's all why,its because he won the golden ball award in Brazil!
He looks to me like he plays with a golden ball stuck up his ar.se.
I just expected a hell of a lot more,his youth is no excuse.If he was going to be 'world class' as some expect he would have shown something by now at 21.A cross when in space is not suffice to excuse the fact he played awfully at Brum and has looked out of his league in 90% of the games he has been given a chance in since signing!

Lucas is a very special player. Did you not see his goal against Havant or his through ball to Voronin against Arsenal? The guy has lots of potential, but you can see that it's difficult for him to express himself because of the physicality of the English game and our style of football. I think Lucas would be great in a team like Barca or Arsenal, where the players are always moving.

Very special player??
There are lots of very special things on this planet.Lucas may be one of them,he can be as special as David Koresh in many peoples eyes!
Bottom line is,in his feet he is not good enough for LFC!
Im sick of listening to idiots that think otherwise,hes a cult hero because he won a prize in Brasil(the golden ball) and folk think cause hes Braslilian we can do no wrong.
Bottom line is hes as shi.te as he is Brasilian!
FFS wake up,the same people are wan.king over Lucas are killing the likes of Yossi.
For example Benayoun aint great,never good enough for LFC every week.BUT in awkward games he can be brought on because he can get in amongst players and cause trouble,hes good on the ball"creative" some would say,he can upset play and rattle a stubborn midfield and defence!He offers something different!Scored 2 hatricks as well but never a regular in any mans eyes?

Lucas in my opinion is a waste of time space and effort,he looks as suited to the prem and needed by LFC as a car with no wheels,plus a huge carbon footprint(to be PC)yawn!

by **RedBlood** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:03 am

Number 9 wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.

Lots of people saying theres something i like about him,but dont know what it is or as said above theres something in him waiting to come out!

I'll tell you's all why,its because he won the golden ball award in Brazil!
He looks to me like he plays with a golden ball stuck up his ar.se.
I just expected a hell of a lot more,his youth is no excuse.If he was going to be 'world class' as some expect he would have shown something by now at 21.A cross when in space is not suffice to excuse the fact he played awfully at Brum and has looked out of his league in 90% of the games he has been given a chance in since signing!

Lucas is a very special player. Did you not see his goal against Havant or his through ball to Voronin against Arsenal? The guy has lots of potential, but you can see that it's difficult for him to express himself because of the physicality of the English game and our style of football. I think Lucas would be great in a team like Barca or Arsenal, where the players are always moving.

Very special player??
There are lots of very special things on this planet.Lucas may be one of them,he can be as special as David Koresh in many peoples eyes!
Bottom line is,in his feet he is not good enough for LFC!
Im sick of listening to idiots that think otherwise,hes a cult hero because he won a prize in Brasil(the golden ball) and folk think cause hes Braslilian we can do no wrong.
Bottom line is hes as shi.te as he is Brasilian!
FFS wake up,the same people are wan.king over Lucas are killing the likes of Yossi.
For example Benayoun aint great,never good enough for LFC every week.BUT in awkward games he can be brought on because he can get in amongst players and cause trouble,hes good on the ball"creative" some would say,he can upset play and rattle a stubborn midfield and defence!He offers something different!Scored 2 hatricks as well but never a regular in any mans eyes?

Lucas in my opinion is a waste of time space and effort,he looks as suited to the prem and needed by LFC as a car with no wheels,plus a huge carbon footprint(to be PC)yawn!

idiots? waste of space?

i couldnt have described YOU any better myself mate

by **Number 9** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:11 am

RedBlood wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.

Lots of people saying theres something i like about him,but dont know what it is or as said above theres something in him waiting to come out!

I'll tell you's all why,its because he won the golden ball award in Brazil!
He looks to me like he plays with a golden ball stuck up his ar.se.
I just expected a hell of a lot more,his youth is no excuse.If he was going to be 'world class' as some expect he would have shown something by now at 21.A cross when in space is not suffice to excuse the fact he played awfully at Brum and has looked out of his league in 90% of the games he has been given a chance in since signing!

Lucas is a very special player. Did you not see his goal against Havant or his through ball to Voronin against Arsenal? The guy has lots of potential, but you can see that it's difficult for him to express himself because of the physicality of the English game and our style of football. I think Lucas would be great in a team like Barca or Arsenal, where the players are always moving.

Very special player??
There are lots of very special things on this planet.Lucas may be one of them,he can be as special as David Koresh in many peoples eyes!
Bottom line is,in his feet he is not good enough for LFC!
Im sick of listening to idiots that think otherwise,hes a cult hero because he won a prize in Brasil(the golden ball) and folk think cause hes Braslilian we can do no wrong.
Bottom line is hes as shi.te as he is Brasilian!
FFS wake up,the same people are wan.king over Lucas are killing the likes of Yossi.
For example Benayoun aint great,never good enough for LFC every week.BUT in awkward games he can be brought on because he can get in amongst players and cause trouble,hes good on the ball"creative" some would say,he can upset play and rattle a stubborn midfield and defence!He offers something different!Scored 2 hatricks as well but never a regular in any mans eyes?

Lucas in my opinion is a waste of time space and effort,he looks as suited to the prem and needed by LFC as a car with no wheels,plus a huge carbon footprint(to be PC)yawn!

idiots? waste of space?

i couldnt have described YOU any better myself mate

You would'nt be the first!

You are water,im a ducks back!

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:00 am

Bad Bob wrote:Typical situation: the lad's way over-hyped by some (better than Alonso?) and slagged off far too much by others (he made a major contribution today with that cross to Benayoun). I think there may be something about him but he's not done a whole lot to impress in quite some time. He'd be better for having a run of games with an established midfield partner but I think the jury is still well and truly out on whether he has enough in his locker to truly become a nailed on starting CM for a title-challenging side.

I think it works against him that he doesn't seem to be suited for any of the 3 roles that we current offer, and if he was given first choice, I suspect he would choose the Gerrard role, which everybody knows isn't going to be up for grabs anytime soon. Not exactly sure what the true optimal player in the Alonso role is supposed to look like. Is it Alonso? is it supposed to be a complement to Macherano? or is it supposed to look like Mascherano1 and Mascherano2 (with Xabi doing his best impression while staying within his game)

by **stmichael** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:17 pm

The reason Lucas isn't getting the plaudits I feel is because he has this no nonsense air of efficiency about him, everything he does is simple, yet keeps the ball, I rarely see him give it away. Let us not forget that it was he who came on for Gerrard in the derby, which we then went on to win, in no small part actually helped by him as when he came on we suddenly started keeping the ball a lot more and looking more dangerous.

That is what he does, he makes sure we keep the ball and lets the attacking threat who take all the headlines do their thing. You have Mascher winning the ball, Lucas making sure we keep the ball and then the other 4 attacking players scoring the goals, you can't really go wrong can you? He does what Xabi does, but in a different way.

by **flamingpoe** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:49 pm

i grant that at the moment lucas doesn't appear to be all that special but we got him for a 4year contract.....i think?! but all the same he was the under 21 captain for 2 years before we got him, considering that before him pato was captain and the player before him was robinho, he doesn't appear to be stunningly good, but give him another 2 years and he will become amazing, very rarely a player is stunningly good in their first season, give him a season or two and i think he will be surprisingly in the mold of a very noticeable player, who has become our saviour many many times!

stevie gerrard, besides everyone saying about mascherano, well i got a lil example for all of you, gerrard and lampard dont work together as gareth barry and gerrard, why? you ask because lampard and gerrard both like goin forward, gerrard goes forward and barry sits back, works well in my eyes, after gerrard and xabi leave and/or retire mascherano and lucas would be good replacements, not to say that i dont agree or disagree with that fact

by **Owzat** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:19 pm

stmichael wrote:The reason Lucas isn't getting the plaudits I feel is because he has this no nonsense air of efficiency about him, everything he does is simple, yet keeps the ball, I rarely see him give it away. Let us not forget that it was he who came on for Gerrard in the derby, which we then went on to win, in no small part actually helped by him as when he came on we suddenly started keeping the ball a lot more and looking more dangerous.

That is what he does, he makes sure we keep the ball and lets the attacking threat who take all the headlines do their thing. You have Mascher winning the ball, Lucas making sure we keep the ball and then the other 4 attacking players scoring the goals, you can't really go wrong can you? He does what Xabi does, but in a different way.

Some ijut Bolton fan was slagging Rafa after the match for "playing kids", I put him right of course with the average appearances of the starting XI well over 100! And as for being kids, the average age was 26.

But in putting the bare faced facts to him I noticed that Lucas has actually made quite a few appearances this season. He's already made 19 starts and a further 11 off the bench.

Lucas P30 W21 D5 L4 F74 A23

Not bad all things considered, if they were league games we'd have 68 points and still be in the title race. And is it coincidence our recent run of excellent form coincides with him being less of a sub and more of a starter? He's started nine games and been sub only once since we lost to Barnsley in the FA Cup.

by **Thinkpad** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:01 pm

Not good enough..
Liverpool fans like to make excuses for the players..
We have seen Sisoko branded as very pontial even though he can't pass. Blind fans want him to stay to prove that they are right all along, that he will make good. Cow dung no matter what you call it still stink as much..

The famous "give him time".. "give him four years"... are nothing but rubbish. If he can't make it in 2, why waste the other two years? Heck if he doesn't show some sign of brilliance in 1, he should be pushed down the order and sold as soon as possible.

The reason why Liverpool degenerated so much is because we tolerate too much mediocrity. Time to stop and put the club in order and put the club first. Players be damn.. if the don't perform out they go.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:11 pm

Owzat wrote:if they were league games we'd have 68 points and still be in the title race.

WTF?

This is about as insightful as saying that we'd walk the league at a canter if we managed to score just one more goal than our opponents each match.

And is it coincidence our recent run of excellent form coincides with him being less of a sub and more of a starter? He's started nine games and been sub only once since we lost to Barnsley in the FA Cup.

Err, yes. Considering that Alonso's started 10 games in that period and Masch has started 11, I hardly think singling Lucas out for special praise holds water.

by **RedBlood** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:17 am

Thinkpad wrote:Not good enough..
Liverpool fans like to make excuses for the players..
We have seen Sisoko branded as very pontial even though he can't pass. Blind fans want him to stay to prove that they are right all along, that he will make good. Cow dung no matter what you call it still stink as much..

The famous "give him time".. "give him four years"... are nothing but rubbish. If he can't make it in 2, why waste the other two years? Heck if he doesn't show some sign of brilliance in 1, he should be pushed down the order and sold as soon as possible.

The reason why Liverpool degenerated so much is because we tolerate too much mediocrity. Time to stop and put the club in order and put the club first. Players be damn.. if the don't perform out they go.

this is you mate .......... :kungfu:

by **Owzat** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:15 am

Bad Bob wrote:
Owzat wrote:if they were league games we'd have 68 points and still be in the title race.

WTF? This is about as insightful as saying that we'd walk the league at a canter if we managed to score just one more goal than our opponents each match.

Well I wouldn't expect YOU to get what I mean, I'm including points and the league comparison to show how good the form has been with him in the side. DUH

What's the matter, need to understand the stats before you can consider 'borrowing' them.......... :laugh:

Bad Bob wrote:Err, yes. Considering that Alonso's started 10 games in that period and Masch has started 11, I hardly think singling Lucas out for special praise holds water

Jesus, did your mum just drop you on the head again or what? I'm not SINGLING Lucas out for "special praise", it's a THREAD ABOUT LUCAS, it's hardly a "pick one of these XI to praise" thread. ffs, take a day off will ya. The point is if Lucas weren't good enough he wouldn't be in the team.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:16 pm

Owzat wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Owzat wrote:if they were league games we'd have 68 points and still be in the title race.

WTF? This is about as insightful as saying that we'd walk the league at a canter if we managed to score just one more goal than our opponents each match.

Well I wouldn't expect YOU to get what I mean, I'm including points and the league comparison to show how good the form has been with him in the side. DUH

What's the matter, need to understand the stats before you can consider 'borrowing' them..........

Bad Bob wrote:Err, yes. Considering that Alonso's started 10 games in that period and Masch has started 11, I hardly think singling Lucas out for special praise holds water

Jesus, did your mum just drop you on the head again or what? I'm not SINGLING Lucas out for "special praise", it's a THREAD ABOUT LUCAS, it's hardly a "pick one of these XI to praise" thread. ffs, take a day off will ya. The point is if Lucas weren't good enough he wouldn't be in the team.

No, what you're doing is taking the solid team stats when Lucas has played and using them to imply that Lucas is the reason why the numbers are good. That's not analysis, it's nonsense. Sure, he's been getting games but that's what you would expect with Mascherano suspended and Rafa looking to rest players over our last few league games. Attributing our good form since Barnsley to Lucas getting more starts is silly--surely the formation change is the real reason for the upturn in form?

Lucas has been decent for us to date, nothing more. He's not been abysmal but, IMO, he hasn't shown anything to suggest he should be more than our fourth choice CM.

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