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by **DAV** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:29 pm

RB made us big?? The League is the most important competion and always has been.

by **DAV** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:32 pm

infact if people wanted to be really picky which i dont wanna.
The team that won us the champions League was mainly GH team that he built.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:45 pm

DAV wrote:infact if people wanted to be really picky which i dont wanna.
The team that won us the champions League was mainly GH team that he built.

Yes, which made it an even bigger achievement. Now, can you seriously honestly tell me that Houllier would have ever won us that competition? Rafa done it at the first time of asking with a relatively unknown squad to him. Most of that team already had enough time playing with each other to be gelled anyway.

by **DAV** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:48 pm

dont know why your asking me as my post states i dont wanna be picky.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:51 pm

me_and_fowler_L8 wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
dawson99 wrote:no, 2 european cup finals and an fa cup isnt enough. the league is what teh 'real' fans want, and its slipped away again. Rafa made the club big again? we were always big. he might have made it so that more non real supporters joined up, but weve always been big.

Well if you want the league so much then go support Man U. And Liverpool was always big, but Rafa made it a European giant again, before that no one took the club seriously.

So winning the UEFA Cup in 01 beating sides like Roma and Barcelona along the way, also going onto win the Super Cup against Bayern Munich didn't make us a European giant did it? But obviously you won't remember those days as you're probably one of these fans who have only started to support us since the success of 05.

Cheers Dawson as well for the welcome.

You're not too smart if you think that winning the UEFA Cup makes you a European Giant. Before Rafa came to Liverpool, quality players couldn't wait to get out of the club. Now we are attracting top class players from all over the world.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:52 pm

me_and_fowler_L8 wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
dawson99 wrote:no, 2 european cup finals and an fa cup isnt enough. the league is what teh 'real' fans want, and its slipped away again. Rafa made the club big again? we were always big. he might have made it so that more non real supporters joined up, but weve always been big.

Well if you want the league so much then go support Man U. And Liverpool was always big, but Rafa made it a European giant again, before that no one took the club seriously.

So winning the UEFA Cup in 01 beating sides like Roma and Barcelona along the way, also going onto win the Super Cup against Bayern Munich didn't make us a European giant did it? But obviously you won't remember those days as you're probably one of these fans who have only started to support us since the success of 05.

Cheers Dawson as well for the welcome.

No disrespect to the UEFA cup, but it's not exactly what you want to be winning to be considered a European giant. It's a nice side dish, but the mean course is the CL. It's the creme de'le creme of all competitions. You don't hear us singing "we won it three times" now do you? No.

When Chelsea won the UEFA, it didn't exactly make them massive in Europe because let's face it they aren't. If anything, all the EUFA Cup victory done was announce that we were a growing force once again on the continent. The CL win put us bang back on the map.

Oh, and BTW welcome!

by **DAV** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:52 pm

Listen- the champions League win was great- But how long can one man live on the achivement.
The FA Cup you will probabley say- well RB going by the team selections he puts out dosent even deem this a trophy worth winning- as last seasons Arsenal dissasters show.
And the :censored:

we played against Havant and Luton this season.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:54 pm

DAV wrote:dont know why your asking me as my post states i dont wanna be picky.

It's not being picky to search your soul and ask yourself could you have seen Houllier ever winning us number 5.

I can't. He never would have. Which is why the comparison of Rafa to Houllier is a crazy one.

by **DAV** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:57 pm

you mean like people compair RB to shankly
only comparison i will make is GH got sacked rightly so and RB should go the same way

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:00 pm

DAV wrote:Listen- the champions League win was great- But how long can one man live on the achivement.
The FA Cup you will probabley say- well RB going by the team selections he puts out dosent even deem this a trophy worth winning- as last seasons Arsenal dissasters show.
And the we played against Havant and Luton this season.

Benitez isn't trying to live on the back of the CL win. He proved that by winning another piece of silverware and getting us to another two cup finals.

The league is a different animal altogether, as you have a man trying to disrupt the bastion of two, and until recently, three teams that have been dominating since the early to mid 90's. That is not an easy task, and no matter who we bring in, unless we can go out there as Chelsea done and spent mega bucks, it will take a bit more than the standard three seasons that some of our supporters seem accustom to mention that should bring us the title under a new manager. This is folly to the extreme.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:02 pm

DAV wrote:you mean like people compair RB to shankly
only comparison i will make is GH got sacked rightly so and RB should go the same way

Shankly made us great. Liverpool were all but forgotten about in Europe. He made us great again. I can see the comparison.

By the way, it took Shanks 6 years to do anything.

by **DAV** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:08 pm

so why wasnt souness given 6 years

by **glenbuck patriot** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:14 pm

It took Shank's six years to do something, Interesting point, maybe just maybe it was because when Shank's took over we were languishing in the old second division,with a decrepid ground that didn't even have it's own water supply, and a team that hadn't won anything for thirteen years!

It took him six years to build the very foundations that this club has sat on for the past forty four years!

Comparisons between the two can't be drawn.

by **dawson99** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:14 pm

DAV wrote:so why wasnt souness given 6 years

coz he was awful lol

and what it comes down to, why people are annoyed, is that look at the league. yeah if we win our game in hand we are 4th... but we are struggling for 4th FFS, thats just not good enough for liverpool.

we cant harp on about champs league wins and fa cups when we are in the here and now.... and here and now we are struggling majorly. Even when...if we win today, we are still in an awful position, noe that liverpool should not be in

by **mart** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:11 pm

dawson99 wrote:and what it comes down to, why people are annoyed, is that look at the league. yeah if we win our game in hand we are 4th... but we are struggling for 4th FFS, thats just not good enough for liverpool.

Considering our record in the last couple of decades thats just business as usual.

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