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s@int wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:

JamCar05 wrote:

s@int wrote:Reina ,Finnan ,Carragher ,Agger ,Arbeloa ,Pennant  ,Sissoko ,Alonso  ,Benayoun ,Voronin ,Crouch

Our team against Portsmouth

Reina - didn't play in the internationals
Carra - retired from internationals
Arbeloa-didn't play in the internationals
Pennant  -didn't play in the internationals
Sissoko - didn't play in the internationals
Alonso - was sent off so hardly played in the internationals
Crouch - didn't play in the internationals

Voronin - no idea
Benayoun - no idea
So that leaves Finnan and Agger ?

Hardly a side overworked by international duty ?

No, and that' exactly why Rafa picked some of these players ahead of Torres and Gerrard, who had both played a lot (as far as my memory serves) in the previous internationals (Gerrard even carrying a toeinjury).

I'm sorry mate I don't really understand your point?

The original post was pointing out that the other teams could play their best team as they were not involved in the international break, we on the other hand had more players involved, Agger, Finnan, Gerrard, Torres, Voronin and Benayoun, speculating on his behalf, its the reason why the last four players on the list didn't start that game.

I am even more confused now mate 

Only Gerrard and Torres didn't start the game against Portsmouth from that list?  Gerrard was recovering from a broken toe and Torres from a bad knock. Obviously they were both fit to play some part as they did come on as subs.

The mancs had  Rooney , Neville ,Park, Hargreaves, Saha missing.

We were two possibly three players away from our best team, and only a few had played in internationals. Wheres the difference? Or are we saying if Gerrard and Torres don't play we may as well not turn up?

ConnO'var wrote:

The Grudge wrote:Does not matter if a player climbs everest on friday night!If that player wants to play for Liverpool he will put 110% in the next day!

Sabre that is a silly post above..talking about blood and Bolivia??WTF are you on lad...stop smoking it!

LFC are playing EVERTON on Saturday...the only thing in the blood of any player should be adrenaline...if they are tired that is due to lack of self motivation..nothing else!

Play for the shirt first...be tired later..we are talking about superfit men not hypersensitive ballet dancers.....What next bring Gerrard off cause he breaks a nail?


Sorry guv im not playing well cause i was up high 4 days ago and me bloods funny....

Baz,

That needs a little qualification mate..... While it's true that the player should want to give 110% for LFC, his body may not be able to cope.

A case of the spirit is willing but the body is weak.

Trust me, no matter how fit you are, if you're forced to ponce around at altitude one day then go to a different timezone the next, you'll be fecked for sure.

While us mere mortals may not feel it too much when on holiday, (coz basically we do feck all and spend our time drinking...  ) professional athletes will feel it in competitive games. Always takes a while for the body to acclimitise, mate.
Not a silly point at all tbh.

International matches at all different climates, altitudes and time zones can and does wreck havoc on the body of players and it does take time for them to re-adjust.

ConnO'var wrote:

The Grudge wrote:Does not matter if a player climbs everest on friday night!If that player wants to play for Liverpool he will put 110% in the next day!

Sabre that is a silly post above..talking about blood and Bolivia??WTF are you on lad...stop smoking it!

LFC are playing EVERTON on Saturday...the only thing in the blood of any player should be adrenaline...if they are tired that is due to lack of self motivation..nothing else!

Play for the shirt first...be tired later..we are talking about superfit men not hypersensitive ballet dancers.....What next bring Gerrard off cause he breaks a nail?


Sorry guv im not playing well cause i was up high 4 days ago and me bloods funny....

Baz,

That needs a little qualification mate..... While it's true that the player should want to give 110% for LFC, his body may not be able to cope.

A case of the spirit is willing but the body is weak.

Trust me, no matter how fit you are, if you're forced to ponce around at altitude one day then go to a different timezone the next, you'll be fecked for sure.

While us mere mortals may not feel it too much when on holiday, (coz basically we do feck all and spend our time drinking...  ) professional athletes will feel it in competitive games. Always takes a while for the body to acclimitise, mate.
Not a silly point at all tbh.

International matches at all different climates, altitudes and time zones can and does wreck havoc on the body of players and it does take time for them to re-adjust.

The Grudge wrote:

s@int wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:

JamCar05 wrote:

s@int wrote:Reina ,Finnan ,Carragher ,Agger ,Arbeloa ,Pennant  ,Sissoko ,Alonso  ,Benayoun ,Voronin ,Crouch

Our team against Portsmouth

Reina - didn't play in the internationals
Carra - retired from internationals
Arbeloa-didn't play in the internationals
Pennant  -didn't play in the internationals
Sissoko - didn't play in the internationals
Alonso - was sent off so hardly played in the internationals
Crouch - didn't play in the internationals

Voronin - no idea
Benayoun - no idea
So that leaves Finnan and Agger ?

Hardly a side overworked by international duty ?

No, and that' exactly why Rafa picked some of these players ahead of Torres and Gerrard, who had both played a lot (as far as my memory serves) in the previous internationals (Gerrard even carrying a toeinjury).

I'm sorry mate I don't really understand your point?

The original post was pointing out that the other teams could play their best team as they were not involved in the international break, we on the other hand had more players involved, Agger, Finnan, Gerrard, Torres, Voronin and Benayoun, speculating on his behalf, its the reason why the last four players on the list didn't start that game.

I am even more confused now mate 

Only Gerrard and Torres didn't start the game against Portsmouth from that list?  Gerrard was recovering from a broken toe and Torres from a bad knock. Obviously they were both fit to play some part as they did come on as subs.

The mancs had  Rooney , Neville ,Park, Hargreaves, Saha missing.

We were two possibly three players away from our best team, and only a few had played in internationals. Wheres the difference? Or are we saying if Gerrard and Torres don't play we may as well not turn up?

Maybe if you stop comparing LFC to man utd in so many ways you would make a good mod!

Oh and by the way lad if you look back at all your posts,most are derogatory of LFC yet praise the Mancs??

Just an observor here after all...but its hardly sufficient that our mods have no faith in LFC and prefer to share their wealth of interest making other teams look better,while sh,itting all over the thing they profess to promote...ie LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB!

Maybe that and this is what it has come to..maybe i am actually out of touch on football but i LOVE liverpool and always will!

Maybe i am wrong but i trust my club ,manager and players and feel that come season end LFC will be up there!
Where will the rotation arguement go then ,who will talk about it?...Put your names up?

Who will say now that come season end we will be out of the league because of rotation??

I say we wont be out of it and will be up there fighting!Easy to chat about it now so early on!
Whos against me and LFC??

I don't know what you have been drinking or smoking Baz but if you think my posts are derogatory to LFC it must be some strong stuff.

If you can find one post of mine that praises the Mancs I will be very surprised .

We all love Liverpool, but its been 17 years mate and if I think we are doing something wrong, I will say so, and if you think thats shitting on Liverpool thats your problem not mine.

Its nice that you can support so unquestioning but for most of us there are questions and worries about the team,the players and the manager. I hope we walk the league and all the cups, but that doesn't mean that on the road I won't have doubts.

As far as I know none of us is against you or LFC, but maybe we haven't drunk quite as much as you

We all love Liverpool FC Baz or we wouldn't be here talking about it.

ConnO'var wrote:

The Grudge wrote:

s@int wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:

JamCar05 wrote:

s@int wrote:Reina ,Finnan ,Carragher ,Agger ,Arbeloa ,Pennant  ,Sissoko ,Alonso  ,Benayoun ,Voronin ,Crouch

Our team against Portsmouth

Reina - didn't play in the internationals
Carra - retired from internationals
Arbeloa-didn't play in the internationals
Pennant  -didn't play in the internationals
Sissoko - didn't play in the internationals
Alonso - was sent off so hardly played in the internationals
Crouch - didn't play in the internationals

Voronin - no idea
Benayoun - no idea
So that leaves Finnan and Agger ?

Hardly a side overworked by international duty ?

No, and that' exactly why Rafa picked some of these players ahead of Torres and Gerrard, who had both played a lot (as far as my memory serves) in the previous internationals (Gerrard even carrying a toeinjury).

I'm sorry mate I don't really understand your point?

The original post was pointing out that the other teams could play their best team as they were not involved in the international break, we on the other hand had more players involved, Agger, Finnan, Gerrard, Torres, Voronin and Benayoun, speculating on his behalf, its the reason why the last four players on the list didn't start that game.

I am even more confused now mate 

Only Gerrard and Torres didn't start the game against Portsmouth from that list?  Gerrard was recovering from a broken toe and Torres from a bad knock. Obviously they were both fit to play some part as they did come on as subs.

The mancs had  Rooney , Neville ,Park, Hargreaves, Saha missing.

We were two possibly three players away from our best team, and only a few had played in internationals. Wheres the difference? Or are we saying if Gerrard and Torres don't play we may as well not turn up?

Maybe if you stop comparing LFC to man utd in so many ways you would make a good mod!

Oh and by the way lad if you look back at all your posts,most are derogatory of LFC yet praise the Mancs??

Just an observor here after all...but its hardly sufficient that our mods have no faith in LFC and prefer to share their wealth of interest making other teams look better,while sh,itting all over the thing they profess to promote...ie LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB!

Maybe that and this is what it has come to..maybe i am actually out of touch on football but i LOVE liverpool and always will!

Maybe i am wrong but i trust my club ,manager and players and feel that come season end LFC will be up there!
Where will the rotation arguement go then ,who will talk about it?...Put your names up?

Who will say now that come season end we will be out of the league because of rotation??

I say we wont be out of it and will be up there fighting!Easy to chat about it now so early on!
Whos against me and LFC??

One too many beers? That has to be grog talking there, mate..... you surely know better than to make posts like that?

ConnO'var wrote:

The Grudge wrote:Con ....if a player cannot get up for a Derby game regardless of the week beforehand he should not play for LFC! 

I agree with this bit of the post 100%...

Al I'm saying is that they may get themselves all psyched up but they may not be at their best.

Souness? Hansen? Dalglish? Neal? McAllister? Lawrenson? Barnes? Keegan? Toshack? Heighway? Case? TerryMac? Aldo? Rush? Beardsley? Whelan? Thommo? Clemence? Grob?

Yes I've seen them all mate.. Fond memories of all of the and more... and you're right, I've never heard them giving tiredness as an excuse for playing sh!te after internationals. But to be fair, I don't think any of our lads have been saying that either.... And I know that what I'm gonna say next is old hat but I think it's relevant...

The game has CHANGED.... it's much more physically demanding, faster, stronger and all them other cliches....

No matter how fit you are, you can't go against physics and physiology...

My 2p worth any rate...

The Grudge wrote:Well all i can say is that im annoyed at the lack of belief.

ConnO'var wrote:

The Grudge wrote:Con ....if a player cannot get up for a Derby game regardless of the week beforehand he should not play for LFC! 

I agree with this bit of the post 100%...

Al I'm saying is that they may get themselves all psyched up but they may not be at their best.

Souness? Hansen? Dalglish? Neal? McAllister? Lawrenson? Barnes? Keegan? Toshack? Heighway? Case? TerryMac? Aldo? Rush? Beardsley? Whelan? Thommo? Clemence? Grob?



Yes I've seen them all mate.. Fond memories of all of them and much, much more... and you're right, I've never heard them giving tiredness as an excuse for playing sh!te after internationals. But to be fair, I don't think any of our lads have been saying that either.... And I know that what I'm gonna say next is old hat but I think it's relevant...

The game has CHANGED.... it's much more physically demanding, faster, stronger and all them other cliches....

No matter how fit you are, you can't go against physics and physiology...

My 2p worth any rate...

The Grudge wrote:You listen too much to Redknapp..should listen more to Souness!

The game has changed yes..but at the end of the day there are still 11 players a team and still one football..correct me if i am wrong but the main objective is for a team to get the ball in the opposing teams half and if possible their net?

We can all get as detailed as we want but the more detailed it becomes the further away we lean from the reality that putting the ball in the net has done and always will score a goal!

Its not rocket science..its football.

ConnO'var wrote:

The Grudge wrote:You listen too much to Redknapp..should listen more to Souness!

The game has changed yes..but at the end of the day there are still 11 players a team and still one football..correct me if i am wrong but the main objective is for a team to get the ball in the opposing teams half and if possible their net?

We can all get as detailed as we want but the more detailed it becomes the further away we lean from the reality that putting the ball in the net has done and always will score a goal!

Its not rocket science..its football.

Yes it is still a simple game despite all the changes....

But as with all things, IMHO, it's never that simple.... Makes for an interesting discussion though.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Baz.

No probs mate! Im going to bed anyway!

Nite nite campers!

YNWA