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by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:38 am

It's f*cking insane, it really is. RIP to the poor kid.

It's surely no coincidence that we've got kids on the streets at all hours, 7 nights a week now that the 1990s generation of teen pregnancies have reached their teens. And probably no coincidence that in the last five years, every teen in Britain seems to have a mobile phone and pocket money falling out of their trackies. They probably don't even know what a curfew is.

The problem we're up against is that we're going to wake up to headlines about this awful tragedy, and every point in the news piece will make us feel empty. But there'll be kids tomorrow on the back of the bus laughing about it, and thinking "I've got to have some of that".

It's sh*t, and the police need to get hold of the situation. I can seriously see state-enforced curfews coming in for under 16s, and although I'd have rallied against it 5 years ago, I'm all for it now. We just have to get these animals off the streets. What can you do when a kid on a BMX happily waves a gun around at 7.30 at night though?

by **LFC2007** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:50 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:I can seriously see state-enforced curfews coming in for under 16s, and although I'd have rallied against it 5 years ago, I'm all for it now. We just have to get these animals off the streets. What can you do when a kid on a BMX happily waves a gun around at 7.30 at night though?

I don't think this would work, not only is it a breach of human rights for all those lawfully abiding teenagers, but it is impossible to enforce and would only stoke up further aggravation. A state-enforced curfew for U-16's is definitely not the answer IMO.

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:05 am

and nat service isn't the way forward

I dont know about that, if made compulsery that would bring discipline into the kids lives, something they desperately need. I actually think its a good idea.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:08 am

How many law-abiding teenagers do you know that roam around the streets at 11pm on a school night? It's not a breach of human rights if those that you're suggesting it'd unfairly penalise don't make use of the right anyway. It's the minority that feel the need to be out that late, and it's elements of that minority that are the problem.

Making it mandatory for under 16s to be in their homes by, say, 10pm would force a lot of parents to get their kids under control. No, the police wouldn't be able to put every kid in the back of a car, but most beat officers know where all the real troublemakers hang out, who the ringleaders are etc. If they have the power to take them home if they're on the streets past a certain time, the problem sorts itself out. And if the kids have anything on them when approached that justifies tougher action, bonus.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:16 am

The above is taking this thread off track a bit though, and the Daily Mail approach isn't what I'm looking to promote.

The problem here isn't that a kid is on the streets at a time he shouldn't be, it's that a kid is riding around Croxteth with a gun in his hand.

We need to find out where these guns and knives are coming from, and get the suppliers behind bars.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:19 am

It would not be enforcable, of that there is no question. The resentment it would cause would be immense and would only fracture communities further. Most ASBO's impose a curfew - which have not been adhered to.

Your view is a blanket curfew on U-16's irrespective of the individual in question, at least the ASBO is specific to the individual. What about those who can respectfully come home late once in a while?

What about the 15 year old who wants to cycle home late from his mate's house once in a while? A blanket ban does not make exceptions for these people.

It is not possible to enforce and nor is it acceptable, it is a breach of a fundamental human right. If you were suggesting imposing such a curfew in a state of emergency, fair enough, but as common law in a relatively stable society it is not realistic to do so and it would not be correct IMO.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:24 am

Bamaga man wrote:
and nat service isn't the way forward

I dont know about that, if made compulsery that would bring discipline into the kids lives, something they desperately need. I actually think its a good idea.

Indeed, I however believe in choice. The choice to decide your own future at the age of 18 is something invaluable in our society IMO.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:29 am

It's all something for a thread of its own really, and not something I want to take away from the topic at hand. To be honest, it's not something I've given a massive amount of thought to, but when all is said and done, if the kids aren't on the streets late at night, they can't get up to mischief.

At home and at school are where the solutions lie, of that I'm sure. But if the kids are never home and are never at school...

Definitely agree with you about national service though. It's not a solution. Generations have grown up perfectly well without it, and it smells like a ready-made solution people keep coming up with when they can't think of anything better.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:32 am

I agree, it is diverging off topic a little bit. I would however add that most delinquent activity does not take place after 10pm anyway. I would suggest more activities within the community as a way of decreasing Anti-social behaviour or a greater scope for extra-curricular activities at schools.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:51 am

Bamaga man wrote:
and nat service isn't the way forward

I dont know about that, if made compulsery that would bring discipline into the kids lives, something they desperately need. I actually think its a good idea.

Ah, but it impinges upon their human rights, don't forget.

Whereas shooting innocent kids in a park doesn't, apparantly...

This country has gone totally to sh*t, and the sooner the spineless 'tards in the Government come out and say "Right, you little f*ckers - ANYONE steps out of line again, and you're in prison with the adults for a minimum of 1 year, irrespective of your 'Human Rights'."

If you're big and hard enough to do the crime, you're big and hard enough to do the time where it matters.

C*nts.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:57 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
and nat service isn't the way forward

I dont know about that, if made compulsery that would bring discipline into the kids lives, something they desperately need. I actually think its a good idea.

Ah, but it impinges upon their human rights, don't forget.

Whereas shooting innocent kids in a park doesn't, apparantly...

I guess that's aimed at me. Well, I don't see the problem distinguishing between national service for all and one thick c*nt who commits a henous crime.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:01 am

LFC2007 wrote:I agree, it is diverging off topic a little bit. I would however add that most delinquent activity does not take place after 10pm anyway. I would suggest more activities within the community as a way of decreasing Anti-social behaviour or a greater scope for extra-curricular activities at schools.

It doesn't work. These little brain-dead f*ckwits just want to hang about in the p*ssing rain, getting leathered and/or stoned out of their spotty little faces.

There's a growing population of chav wankbandits round us now, and the drone-like pr*cks just sit in ASDA car park getting high on biftas and supping f*cking booze.

It's the parents who are at fault initially, but they're not helped by the Government. "If you slap your kid, you'll go to jail." Well done Blair, you backward Scottish c*nt. You single-handedly destroyed this Country by preventing the discipline of an entire generation.

Tell you what, f*cker: YOU sort it out, you idle spastic. YOU undo the f*cking mess you made, you syphilitic whore's peeling gonorrhea scab. Your bugger-boy Brown hasn't the b*llocks, so YOU sort it, instead of f*cking playing golf on our money, you grinning waster.

If it were not for that ignorant bubo, the deranged, drug-riddled dumb a*ses would get a good f*cking slap from their parents, and if they got cheeky, they'd get another slap. And then another for good measure.

I know the bleeding-hearts foundation would be horrified to read this, but I'm all for a new law allowing adults to give kids a good hiding, whether they're theirs or not. A proper law, which says "If you receive any stick from a loud-mouthed chavlet, kick them in the head."

That would solve the problem that Cheshire cat-looking b*stard created.

F*cking t*sser.

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:01 am

Ah, but it impinges upon their human rights, don't forget.

Whereas shooting innocent kids in a park doesn't, apparantly...

Exactly.

I've just browsed a search to find that most Scandinavian countires make national service mandatory. Its done them no harm, and I bet they dont have the appalling crime amongst youths like we do.

Taking pride and doing something for your country never hurt anyone (not that I'd know Lol) and would instill discipline and manhood, something at present theses cretins lack.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:03 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I agree, it is diverging off topic a little bit. I would however add that most delinquent activity does not take place after 10pm anyway. I would suggest more activities within the community as a way of decreasing Anti-social behaviour or a greater scope for extra-curricular activities at schools.

It doesn't work. These little brain-dead f*ckwits just want o hang about in the p*ssing rain, getting leathered and/or stoned out of their spotty little faces.

There's a growing population of chav wankbandits round us now, and the drone-like pr*cks just sit in ASDA car park getting high on biftas and supping f*cking booze.

It's the parents who are at fault initially, but they're not helped by the Government. "If you slap your kid, you'll go to jail." Well done Blair, you backward Scottish c*nt. You single-handedly destroyed this Country but preventing the discipline of an entire generation.

Tell you what, f*cker: YOU sort it out, you idle spastic. YOU undo the f*cking mess you made, you syphilitic whore's gonorrhea scab. Your bugger-boy Brown hasn't the b*llocks, so YOU sort it, instead of f*cking playing golf on your vast country retreat.
If it were not for that ignorant bubo, the deranged, drug-riddled dumb a*ses would get a good f*cking slap from their parents, and if they got cheeky, they'd get another slap. And then another for good measure.

I know the bleeding-hearts foundation would be horrified to read this, but I'm all for a new law allowing adults to give kids a good hiding, whether they're theirs or not.

That would solve the problem YOU created, Tony.

F*cking t*sser.

I agree with you mate, but not every teenager is a bifta smoking thug.

There are other ways of dealing with it, and IMO national service is not the way to go.

by **66-1112520797** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:05 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I agree, it is diverging off topic a little bit. I would however add that most delinquent activity does not take place after 10pm anyway. I would suggest more activities within the community as a way of decreasing Anti-social behaviour or a greater scope for extra-curricular activities at schools.

It doesn't work. These little brain-dead f*ckwits just want o hang about in the p*ssing rain, getting leathered and/or stoned out of their spotty little faces.

There's a growing population of chav wankbandits round us now, and the drone-like pr*cks just sit in ASDA car park getting high on biftas and supping f*cking booze.

It's the parents who are at fault initially, but they're not helped by the Government. "If you slap your kid, you'll go to jail." Well done Blair, you backward Scottish c*nt. You single-handedly destroyed this Country but preventing the discipline of an entire generation.

Tell you what, f*cker: YOU sort it out, you idle spastic. YOU undo the f*cking mess you made, you syphilitic whore's gonorrhea scab. Your bugger-boy Brown hasn't the b*llocks, so YOU sort it, instead of f*cking playing golf on your vast country retreat.
If it were not for that ignorant bubo, the deranged, drug-riddled dumb a*ses would get a good f*cking slap from their parents, and if they got cheeky, they'd get another slap. And then another for good measure.

I know the bleeding-hearts foundation would be horrified to read this, but I'm all for a new law allowing adults to give kids a good hiding, whether they're theirs or not.

That would solve the problem YOU created, Tony.

F*cking t*sser.

I agree with you mate, but not every teenager is a bifta smoking thug.

There are other ways of dealing with it, and IMO national service is not the way to go.

Okay Einstein what are they then ?

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