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by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:54 pm

peewee wrote:yes it is their right mate, but also dont forget that he has it in writing from manure that they will sell him for 6 million, there is no stipulation in this letter that he cant be sold to us, its only when we bid that the mancs tried to back pedal, the letter is in effect a contract, its agreed by both parties and both parties accepted to be bound by it.

also its heinze that is taking them to court, not us

What letter?

by **Ade** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:00 pm

Owzat wrote:I fully agree Sean, the mancs don't like it up 'em.

Although I have to say £7m for a 29 year old full back seems a tad on the high side considering not too many full backs cost that. If it works out all well and good, otherwise you're paying above average for above aver-AGE. The mancs are so determined not to sell and it's quite funny, he's not absolute first choice and we're supposedly not a threat. They should focus all their energy on getting Tevez, I'm guessing at the moment the Premier League ruling that Tevez is registered to West Ham and they control his destiny will be the conclusion of FIFA. Why should they have any power over it, regardless how loud the mancs shout??? Then again you have to wonder about some of the conclusions drawn in the whole affair, especially why it took the FA until JANUARY to check the documents on a move in AUGUST the previous year.

Fifa have now said they won't rule on the Tevez saga and that is should go to the sports court of arbitration. Looks unlikely the Mancs will start the season with Tevez.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6912571.stm

by **burjennio** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:16 pm

This is just a ridiculous post IMO, what absolute tripe. You misconstrue my words from the very first sentence.

1) Please tell me in my post where I said that the majority of football teams should only spend money on the finished article? I did not, I never made any suggestion whatsoever that they should. I support the signings of Babel and Agger for example, they are not the finished article.

2) At 21 Paletta is no youngster anymore, his core ability will not change 'drastically' as you put it - you do not become Beckenbauer overnight. You also say that I am wrong in thinking he will not improve further, had you actually read my post then you would see this part:

"He will certainly improve at some stage but not enough to warrant a place with us IMO"

Perhaps your eyes deceive you Willhelmson, thou art but a numpty.

always like seeing good old fashioned name calling dished out!!
A final note on Paletta is that his positioning is poor and he doesn't know how to play against pacy players, he throws himself into tackles recklessly and is therefore easily beatable (Aldiere anyone?)

Meanwhile back on the ranch this possible Heinze signing is starting to look better and better. A high class experienced defender for a very reasonable fee and the added bonus of taking him off your greatest rivals while royally shafting them in the process!!! Anyone who doesn't see the positives in this is, to quote my amigo at the top, a numpty

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:41 pm

Peewee would Heinze be third choice mate? We have Riise probably 1st choice. Although Aurellio is injured we have him mainly as 2nd choice. Arebloa looks capable of covering. Insua may be given more of a chance this year and Threlfall looks like he has a decent future ahead of him. So should we be spending 6 million on a 5/6th choice.

by **burjennio** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:58 pm

Peewee would Heinze be third choice mate? We have Riise probably 1st choice. Although Aurellio is injured we have him mainly as 2nd choice. Arebloa looks capable of covering. Insua may be given more of a chance this year and Threlfall looks like he has a decent future ahead of him. So should we be spending 6 million on a 5/6th choice

GBJH, are you on day release or does your padded cell have broadband capabilities? 'Cause if you think Heinze would not a least be 2nd choice left back you have to be either a raving mentalist or on the glue :upside:

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:02 pm

Funny how he doesnt have a problem selling to them bluesh!te b@stards across the park isnt it?
And how their was a deal in Howards contract that he couldnt play against them one rule for them none for anyone else.
How dare a player want to play for the most famous club in the world hey?
Bitter whiskey nosed b@stard

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:03 pm

I think Heinze would be great cover at centre back aswell, although I question whether we would play Agger and him together given they are both left footed. At left back we have Riise and Aurelio who also double as left wingers, and Aurelio is out injured anyway. Threlfall is only a young back up at best. Arbeloa will cover Finnan IMO. Heinze would fit in perfectly.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:10 pm

burjennio wrote:
Peewee would Heinze be third choice mate? We have Riise probably 1st choice. Although Aurellio is injured we have him mainly as 2nd choice. Arebloa looks capable of covering. Insua may be given more of a chance this year and Threlfall looks like he has a decent future ahead of him. So should we be spending 6 million on a 5/6th choice

GBJH, are you on day release or does your padded cell have broadband capabilities? 'Cause if you think Heinze would not a least be 2nd choice left back you have to be either a raving mentalist or on the glue

You did realise I was joking didn't you?

I still don't want Heinze. I don't want any ex United players.

by **metalhead** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:13 pm

Big Niall wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Big Niall wrote:I think Rafa looks like a spoiled baby by threatening action if Manure refuse to sell him to us. He is their player and they should do what they want with him.

I know some hate to criticise Rafa but his whining on this is uncalled for, a waste of money for a 29 year old full back.

I don't think he is whining, Heinze wants to join liverpool and not any other club.

but he is a manure player so it is their right not to sell him.

yeh i would agree with you there mate, thats right, but don't you think the mancs are acting like tw@ts about it? i mean, i understand why they dont want to sell heinze to liverpool, but in this case heinze wants to join us.

by **Kash_Mountain** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:06 pm

I hope we do get Heinze, he'd be very useful indeed. Experienced and good reader of the game IMO.

On another note, with all the madness going on concerning Tevez, i'd love it if we put a bid in (if only we had the money) for him and nicked him from under Mwanck Utd's nose.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:20 am

Kash_Mountain wrote:I hope we do get Heinze, he'd be very useful indeed. Experienced and good reader of the game IMO.

On another note, with all the madness going on concerning Tevez, i'd love it if we put a bid in (if only we had the money) for him and nicked him from under Mwanck Utd's nose.

now that would be funny :laugh:

by **Sean** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:51 pm

Heinze at left back and Riise left midfield.....sweet.

by **Pedro Maradona** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:26 pm

Give Paletta a break, (how many times have you seen him play? Apart from Carling Cup run outs which noone really gives a damn about anyway and he wasnt the only player to underperform was he?)besides part of the problem is that reserve football is useless, the gap between premiership and reserve football is too large so if youre not getting a look in in the first team you cant really learn, therefore a loan deal might be an option for Paletta and some of the other younger players on the reserve team, (same as Carson had last season). Some of the criticism of certain players on this website is dreadful, most of it from people who probably never played football at any level.
As for Heinze, excellent player, I hope we get him, good full back and good cover as a centre half, proven in the premier league and at 29 hes hardly over the hill is he? I dont care if he has played for man ure, so what....so did beardsley and ince in the relatively recent past...get over it, some of you are sounding like bigotted glasgow rangers fans when they wouldnt sign a catholic. If Heinze is of benefit to Liverpool Football Club and Rafa thinks he is then I say sign him. If Heinze is part of a team that brings us our first league title since 1990 Im sure all the ex utd talk would end fairly quickly.
As for Ferguson....he hates being played at his own game, he touted Rooney and Hargreaves for months before any deals were struck and the Tevez issue is a definate case of approaching the player before approaching west ham, fair play to Rafa for upsetting the miserable old git.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:05 pm

Pedro Maradona wrote:Give Paletta a break, (how many times have you seen him play? Apart from Carling Cup run outs which noone really gives a damn about anyway and he wasnt the only player to underperform was he?)besides part of the problem is that reserve football is useless, the gap between premiership and reserve football is too large so if youre not getting a look in in the first team you cant really learn, therefore a loan deal might be an option for Paletta and some of the other younger players on the reserve team, (same as Carson had last season). Some of the criticism of certain players on this website is dreadful, most of it from people who probably never played football at any level.

I don't think an honest appraisal of a player is anything unusual on a football forum, and nor do I think you are in a place to comment on how may times we have seen the lad play or indeed whether we have played football ourselves, and there is no reason why that should affect the opinions we give in any case. But then again, your name is Pedro Maradona!
:laugh:

by **redtrader74** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:21 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Pedro Maradona wrote:Give Paletta a break, (how many times have you seen him play? Apart from Carling Cup run outs which noone really gives a damn about anyway and he wasnt the only player to underperform was he?)besides part of the problem is that reserve football is useless, the gap between premiership and reserve football is too large so if youre not getting a look in in the first team you cant really learn, therefore a loan deal might be an option for Paletta and some of the other younger players on the reserve team, (same as Carson had last season). Some of the criticism of certain players on this website is dreadful, most of it from people who probably never played football at any level.

I don't think an honest appraisal of a player is anything unusual on a football forum, and nor do I think you are in a place to comment on how may times we have seen the lad play or indeed whether we have played football ourselves, and there is no reason why that should affect the opinions we give in any case. But then again, your name is Pedro Maradona!

I do believe that the consensus that Palleta is sh!t is unfair on the player when the most anyone has seen him play is on 8 occasions, and even then it wasn't always for 90 minutes. Now he may turn out to be useless, but i can't say in all certainty that he is after having seen him on 4 occasions myself. Players are bought on the evidence of many viewings by different scouts and yet after 8 games everyone ready to dismiss the quality seen in him by Rafa. I just think its a little early.

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