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by **redtrader74** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:14 pm

I said those two specifically. Nugent playing was down to a lack of forwards.

by **Judge** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:24 pm

redtrader74 wrote:I said those two specifically. Nugent playing was down to a lack of forwards.

we didnt have a lack of forwards when steve bull played for england

not top flight player either

by **redtrader74** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:29 pm

I don't get your point... i think that Butt and P Neville are very average players and would not have been picked had they been at a mid table club, and even if someone had done, it would have been for far fewer caps. Bull was a good player, loyalty meant he stayed at Wolves.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:42 am

I get redtrader's point about players only being picked if they're at the bigger clubs, prime example is a former Liverpool player, Emile Heskey. Heskey was only a regular in the England side when he was playing at Anfield despite how badly he played for Liverpool, but since his transfers to Birmingham and now Wigan (where he's probably been playing as good as he has since 2000/01) he doesn't get a look in. Fat Frank Lampard is another example, at WHU can't get a place in the England squad, moves on to Chelsea all of a sudden he's England's saviour, billhooks. Player's should be played solely on their current form and not their reputation (I don't want people saying Izale McLoud and Lee Trundle should be our strikers then, I mean form in the top divison because that's where our best players are playing)

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:55 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Fat Frank Lampard is another example, at WHU can't get a place in the England squad, moves on to Chelsea all of a sudden he's England's saviour, billhooks.

I don't think this is a legitimate example, his game has come on a hell of a lot at Chelski, I don't think he should be in the England side purely for tactical reasons, and Gerrard is far better anyway but he is a much more complete player now compared to what he was at West Ham. He deserves to be in the squad at the very least, and he's never been 'England's saviour' as you put it.

by **Judge** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:39 am

LFC2007 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Fat Frank Lampard is another example, at WHU can't get a place in the England squad, moves on to Chelsea all of a sudden he's England's saviour, billhooks.

I don't think this is a legitimate example, his game has come on a hell of a lot at Chelski, I don't think he should be in the England side purely for tactical reasons, and Gerrard is far better anyway but he is a much more complete player now compared to what he was at West Ham. He deserves to be in the squad at the very least, and he's never been 'England's saviour' as you put it.

thank god he aint welsh :laugh:

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:28 pm

I don't believe Lampard would be in the England side if he didn't play for chelsea. He isn't the best of passers, can't tackle and isn't great in the air. If Paul Scholes hadn't retired from international duty, Lampard wouldn't be in the side.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:32 pm

I'm not going to play the 'IF' game, the 'IF' game gets you nowhere. Lampard's game has come on a lot since his West Ham days, he is much more complete and tactically aware. He is one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and for that he merits a place in the squad at least. You can have Heskey but Lampard is a much better player than you are making out IMO.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:42 pm

Fair enough, but for my money Lampard is an over rated over paid player. Other than hit the odd spectacular shot, he doesn't do anything else. The majority of his goals are either penalties or deflected shots. If he bangs one in from 40 yards, I'll give him credit but like I said the majority of his goals are deflections. I'd rather see Gerrard in the middle and Lennon out on the right, with Lampard either out of the squad or on the bench. He isn't worth a starting place IMO.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:22 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Fair enough, but for my money Lampard is an over rated over paid player. Other than hit the odd spectacular shot, he doesn't do anything else. The majority of his goals are either penalties or deflected shots. If he bangs one in from 40 yards, I'll give him credit but like I said the majority of his goals are deflections. I'd rather see Gerrard in the middle and Lennon out on the right, with Lampard either out of the squad or on the bench. He isn't worth a starting place IMO.

I completely agree with you he is overrated but IMO he is still a very good midfielder worthy of a place in the squad.

by **toadinthehole** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:09 pm

if you're a good player it doesn't matter where you're born...does it?

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by **redtrader74** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:31 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I don't believe Lampard would be in the England side if he didn't play for chelsea. He isn't the best of passers, can't tackle and isn't great in the air. If Paul Scholes hadn't retired from international duty, Lampard wouldn't be in the side.

Add to that zero pace, drive and passion, bar his decent shot i see no reason why Parker or Barton could not replace him. He has Essien, best midfielder in prem wth SG, Mikel and even Drogba doing all his running and tackling. IMO he should never be a starter for England, his fat :censored:

should be parked on the bench to cover injuries only.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:01 am

Oh dear..............

Best quote in this whole topic is what Lando said

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:18 am

redtrader74 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:I don't believe Lampard would be in the England side if he didn't play for chelsea. He isn't the best of passers, can't tackle and isn't great in the air. If Paul Scholes hadn't retired from international duty, Lampard wouldn't be in the side.

Add to that zero pace, drive and passion, bar his decent shot i see no reason why Parker or Barton could not replace him. He has Essien, best midfielder in prem wth SG, Mikel and even Drogba doing all his running and tackling. IMO he should never be a starter for England, his fat should be parked on the bench to cover injuries only.

SPOT FUC.KING ON

Although I wouldn't have Parker or Barton in that position. I'd have Steve McMahon

Lampard is absoloutely useless. I don't even class his shot anyway near as good as most people do. As I've said before the majority of his goals are either pens or deflected shots. The odd one I'll admit he does bang in now and then, but other than that the fella is a waste of time. He was meant to be our replacement to Paul Scholes, no matter how much I hate Scholes because he's a United player, there's no getting away from the fact that he has been one of England's best central midfielders for a long time.

by **cuppatea** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:52 am

I never thought I'd find myself defending Frank Lampard, but his goal record from midfield speaks for itself and he's been one of Chelsea's most important players at a time when they're challenging for (and usually winning) major honours every season.

Based on his international form over the last year or so and the fact he seems unable to play alongside Stevie, I'd stick him on the England bench at the moment, but he's still well worth his place in the squad and there aren't many better midfielders in the country.

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