peewee wrote:well it seems clear to me, tevez iz expected back at west ham for training and is contracted to the hammers until 2010, and any deal has to be reached with west ham. if west ham now were to say the contract is with MSI (after saying that contract was ripped up to stay in the premier league) then i would imagine there will be more sanctions against west ham.
the simple fact is that according to the league west ham own the player and not the third party, this was the whole reason they were just fined and not docked points.
West Ham today threw Carlos Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United into turmoil by insisting there is no agreement in place for him to joining the champions.
Tevez's representatives have been suggesting the Argentina striker's move could be finalised within 24 hours and that he is to have a medical in Venezuela.
However West Ham say the 23-year-old is under contract for a further three years and no transfer can be made without their agreement.
Crucially, the Premier League are likely to back West Ham all the way in their stance.
Hammers chairman Eggert Magnusson said in a statement: "Carlos Tevez is a registered West Ham player, contracted to the club until June 2010.
"There is no agreement with West Ham for Carlos Tevez to leave the club and we expect him to return in time for next season's preparations.
"No decision on his future can be reached without the agreement of West Ham."
Tevez is currently in Venezuela on Copa America duty and played in Argentina's win over Paraguay last night.
The situation is further clouded by the fact United believe he is not under contract to West Ham any more and that they merely had an option to sign him for a further three years.
West Ham are adamant he is still under contract and will be so until 2010.
Tevez's camp had hoped to have set up a deal worth a possible £30million and although there had been close to an agreement with the Red, the Premier League have demanded that any transfer is handled by the Hammers and will block the move unless they are satisfied the transfer fee will go to West Ham.
The league accepted in April that West Ham had terminated all agreements with Tevez's agent Kia Joorabchian - and will keep a watchful eye on any transfer to ensure that the club keep their promise.
A Premier League spokesman said: "As far as we are concerned any deal to take Carlos Tevez away from West Ham has to be done directly with the club."
One possible avenue would be for West Ham to be paid a transfer fee and then agree a compensation figure with Joorabchian for breaching contracts with his company Media Sports Investments (MSI) when they terminated those agreements following their £5.5million fine in April for breaching Premier League rules.
It is understood though that the league would want a substantial chunk of the transfer fee to remain at West Ham rather than it all be handed over to MSI in compensation, otherwise they could be accused of merely covering up the third-party agreements that has caused so much controversy.
Joorabchian responded to Magnusson's statement by confirming he had been given permission by West Ham to hold discussions with other clubs.
He also confirmed that personal terms have been agreed between Tevez and the Barclays Premier League champions.
A statement released to PA Sport from Joorabchian's lawyers said: "The circumstances surrounding Carlos Tevez's relationship with West Ham have been well documented in the media and footballing world.
"We confirm that Carlos Tevez has, with the knowledge and permission of West Ham United Football Club, been in discussions with other clubs.
"Subsequently, personal terms have now been agreed with Manchester United Football Club.
"Carlos Tevez's representatives will work during the course of next week so that a move to Manchester United can be finalised as quickly as possible.
"The process for finalising the player's registration with Manchester United will be undertaken in accordance with appropriate procedures."
For their part, United are eager to distance themselves from any suggestion they have acted incorrectly, either in negotiating with the player or trying to push through a deal with Joorabchian.
United's frustration at getting so close to signing a major star without being able to finalise the transfer is obvious.
Unless a compromise can be brokered, the issue seems to be heading for the courts, to determine once and for all who owns Tevez's registration.
"We have acted in good faith," argued a United spokesman.
"Carlos Tevez was given permission to speak to us and do a deal."
peewee wrote:well it seems clear to me, tevez iz expected back at west ham for training and is contracted to the hammers until 2010, and any deal has to be reached with west ham. if west ham now were to say the contract is with MSI (after saying that contract was ripped up to stay in the premier league) then i would imagine there will be more sanctions against west ham.
the simple fact is that according to the league west ham own the player and not the third party, this was the whole reason they were just fined and not docked points.
LFC2007 wrote:peewee wrote:well it seems clear to me, tevez iz expected back at west ham for training and is contracted to the hammers until 2010, and any deal has to be reached with west ham. if west ham now were to say the contract is with MSI (after saying that contract was ripped up to stay in the premier league) then i would imagine there will be more sanctions against west ham.
the simple fact is that according to the league west ham own the player and not the third party, this was the whole reason they were just fined and not docked points.
There are two parts to it, the economic rights and the registration of the player. It's not very clear at all if you ask me.
The agreement with MSI was unilaterally ripped up by West Ham, not by MSI, and Joorabchian's lawyers then had to deal with the situation. If you think he hasn't got some kind of safety net in that agreement that protects his £14m investment and allows him to veto the registration then I think that would be a silly oversight.
The Premier League have not said they think West Ham own the player, that is not true. The economic rights of the player are owned by Joorabchian and West Ham will not get any fee, if there is one.
They were fined for breaking rule U.18 and B13. Rule U.18 does not say third party ownership is not allowed, it says another party cannot "materially influence its policies or performances". Obviously MSI have now worked around this rule. Otherwise how would Mascherano have moved to us, they clearly were satisfied in that case that MSI were legitimate.
That must have set a precedent for the Tevez move. I think MSI will have learned how to circumvent rule U.18 by now.
joko wrote:i read tevez has a twin brother
puroresu wrote:Carlos Tevez claims he has promised Sir Alex Ferguson he will join Manchester United.
The Argentine striker is determined to do all he can to push through his move to Old Trafford.
The completion of the switch to the Premier League champions has stalled with West Ham arguing the forward cannot leave Upton Park without their approval.
But Tevez wants to honour his pledge to Sir Alex and join his side.
He told The People: "Through my backers I have given my word to Mr Ferguson. They have told him I'll be at Manchester United next season and once I make a promise I don't go back on it.
"There isn't a player who would turn down this opportunity and the negotiations are too far advanced to go back now.
"I have been open and honest with West Ham every step of the way and I hope the fans understand."
Tevez also claims he only decided to quit Upton Park after The Hammers decided not to make his deal permanent.
"My representatives sat down with West Ham at the end of the season and once it became clear they were not going to sign me, they gave me permission to talk to other clubs so I am surprised this is causing such a stink," the Argentine said.
Manchester United believe their move for Tevez will not contravene Premier League rules because it will be no different to Liverpool's January swoop for Tevez's compatriot Javier Mascherano.
But Reds chief executive Rick Parry has questioned the need for loan deals in English football's top flight
Former Premier League supremo Parry believes the loan system could be abused and thinks clubs are wealthy enough to make the practice unnecessary.
He said: "When I was at the Premier League we always took the view that, given the money in the Premier League, you didn't need loans - you should be able to stand on your own two feet.
"There is enough money around to make transfer deals permanent.
"That stood over 10 years. It's only in the last two or three years that we have had the loan system in the Premier League."
heimdall wrote:puroresu wrote:Carlos Tevez claims he has promised Sir Alex Ferguson he will join Manchester United.
The Argentine striker is determined to do all he can to push through his move to Old Trafford.
The completion of the switch to the Premier League champions has stalled with West Ham arguing the forward cannot leave Upton Park without their approval.
But Tevez wants to honour his pledge to Sir Alex and join his side.
He told The People: "Through my backers I have given my word to Mr Ferguson. They have told him I'll be at Manchester United next season and once I make a promise I don't go back on it.
"There isn't a player who would turn down this opportunity and the negotiations are too far advanced to go back now.
"I have been open and honest with West Ham every step of the way and I hope the fans understand."
Tevez also claims he only decided to quit Upton Park after The Hammers decided not to make his deal permanent.
"My representatives sat down with West Ham at the end of the season and once it became clear they were not going to sign me, they gave me permission to talk to other clubs so I am surprised this is causing such a stink," the Argentine said.
Manchester United believe their move for Tevez will not contravene Premier League rules because it will be no different to Liverpool's January swoop for Tevez's compatriot Javier Mascherano.
But Reds chief executive Rick Parry has questioned the need for loan deals in English football's top flight
Former Premier League supremo Parry believes the loan system could be abused and thinks clubs are wealthy enough to make the practice unnecessary.
He said: "When I was at the Premier League we always took the view that, given the money in the Premier League, you didn't need loans - you should be able to stand on your own two feet.
"There is enough money around to make transfer deals permanent.
"That stood over 10 years. It's only in the last two or three years that we have had the loan system in the Premier League."
ermm yes My Parry but aren't we loaning Mascherano ourselves!!!!
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