Liverpool FC Forum

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:53 pm

puroresu wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:As somebody pointed out ,this was an opportunity for fringe players to step up and show the manager why they should be included in the first 11 . As far as our players are concerned all they did was show the manager how much they lack .

Guthrie , Peltier, Palletta , light years away (maybe never) from being ready for the first 11. Dudek and Warnock have if anything gone backwards

Of the more established players , Robbie stills retains the brain and skill but not the pace and stamina , don't see him playing for us beyond this season.

Finally will somebody sit down and explain the f'ucking offside rule to Bellamy Time after time after time he's out of the gate a split second to soon , give him full marks for effort but a k'ick up the a'rse for application .

Bellamy plays on the shoulder and will always be offside sometimes.

Thanks for pointing that out , I never would have noticed

Start counting how many times he is offside , I think you'll find 90% of the time

"Those that don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them "

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:59 pm

Couldnt care less if I never seen Dudek ever again only on my CL DVD.
He has to go hes been a liabilty for to many years.

by **mistyred** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:08 pm

woof woof ! wrote:.

Finally will somebody sit down and explain the f'ucking offside rule to Bellamy Time after time after time he's out of the gate a split second to soon , give him full marks for effort but a k'ick up the a'rse for application .

I used to love watching Filipo Inzaghi play when he was younger
he was a real goal getter, but for some reason was more often than not offside, saying that he would still bang them in.

Not saying Bellamy's Inzghi but you understan the general idea i hope :lookaround

by **heimdall** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:18 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:Bring on the wind-up merchants.

Manhattan can deal with them all.

ok funnyman deal with this, Rafa is an idiot who makes baffling team selections and seems to be clueless.
Even when he screws up he doesn't have the integrity to own up to it.
Almost everybody, commentators, ex-players, basically people who know a damned site more about football than you or I ever will, agree with this except you "proper" fans. I tell you what, it's the people with the balls to critisise who are the true fans, the fans who want progress not just a desire to wallow in past glory. If we are not real careful Liverpool will in a few year be a middle league team!!!

by **kunilson** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:21 pm

cracked me up when Bellamy was offside from a deadball situation when he was in on goal, then looked shocked....i understand in open play but cyamon!

guess it just was a bad night for everything

by **Elchris** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:50 pm

we need to loan these youth player to other clubs in the premiership or to the championship...just look at palleta he was like a piece of paper so lightweight n got really worked out by aliadiere........
but u could see the boy had quality i like the way the boy tackles juz need to be abit strong on his ground i can cleary see he is going to biig in the future
mayb liverpool should hire a rugby or american football physical coach for the player to train with

as for dudek ...as long he keep stayin in liverpool he's heroics in istanbul will fade away

by **Crouchamania** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:07 pm

Obviosuly im forever grateful to Dudek for Istanbul but a word on the penalties. Sergihnos was skyed, Pirlos could well have been retaken and Shevchenkos was 1 of the worst pens ive ever seen.

Obviously Jerzy did a great job puttin them off but he did no better than Reina in the fa cup although i suppose the occasion was more important.

Rant over

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:09 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:Kewell_7, Fowler is a shade of the player that was here previously, but you have been desperate to slate him every since you had kicked off about him coming back (and then looked stupid when he scored vital goals), forwards need matches to be sharp and he hasnt had any, he was up against some fantastic young players who are all great athletes....which i would agree he is isnt, but he did score, AGAIN, and that makes it 5 for the season, when he has started about 4 games...not too bad a ratio that is it ?

the whole reason i kicked off in the first place was to contest one statement.

"Fowler hadn't lost any ability or fitness and would score 25+ league goals a season once back at Liverpool"

it was :censored:

then and its :censored:

now. Fowler is :censored:

! He's slower than Hypia with a sack of coal on his back and his fitness is STILL poor. He's not been THAT player for years and although i openly admit he did prove me wrong last season, this year he cannot even make the bench, let alone the 1st team and its obvious he's never going to make the grade. I'd rather have us pushing a youth striker through, instead of a :censored:

Fowler who's living off the past.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:09 pm

heimdall wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Bring on the wind-up merchants.

Manhattan can deal with them all.

ok funnyman deal with this, Rafa is an idiot who makes baffling team selections and seems to be clueless.
Even when he screws up he doesn't have the integrity to own up to it.
Almost everybody, commentators, ex-players, basically people who know a damned site more about football than you or I ever will, agree with this except you "proper" fans. I tell you what, it's the people with the balls to critisise who are the true fans, the fans who want progress not just a desire to wallow in past glory. If we are not real careful Liverpool will in a few year be a middle league team!!!

Would you call yourself a fan cos' from where I'm standing your a double for Mark Lawrenson - a so called fan who only has negative comments about the team

by **Scottbot** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:15 pm

heimdall wrote:Rafa is an idiot who makes baffling team selections and seems to be clueless.
Even when he screws up he doesn't have the integrity to own up to it.
Almost everybody, commentators, ex-players, basically people who know a damned site more about football than you or I ever will, agree with this except you "proper" fans. I tell you what, it's the people with the balls to critisise who are the true fans, the fans who want progress not just a desire to wallow in past glory. If we are not real careful Liverpool will in a few year be a middle league team!!!

Nothing wrong with being critical, it's the right of ANY fan. But the fact is Rafa got lfc to the final of the League Cup 2 seasons ago playing a similar mix of 1st teamers, fringe players and kids to what we saw last night. Dudek had a 2nd howler in a row, only an idiot would deny that but he has in the past been a quality keeper, a player Rafa obviously trusted enough to get over the errors committed last Saturday evening. Rafa deserves to be criticised because his team got humiliated in front of their own fans but your posts fail to mention that he was let down BADLY by his players last night. As for the 'experts' and commmentators like Andy fu.c.kin Gray and Alan Green give me a break. Had the boot been on the other foot and we had stuffed Arsenal (i wish!) the they would have been firing the predictable 'Wenger didn't take the competition seriously' and 'why leave out your best players' speech his way instead of at Rafa. In case everyone hadn't noticed this competition doesn't mean squat to the managers of the big four teams in this country, not a thing. It's a Youth Team Cup untill the Semi-final rolls around, a chance to get a few injured players back to full fitness and not a lot more in there eyes. the mancs went out to Southend for god's sake!

I'm far more gutted about the manner of the defeat than the fact we lost the game plus the injury to Garcia is a far bigger blow. It was a shocking performance but have a closer look at the stats and you see that Arsenal only actually had 8 shots scoring 6 goals. Football's like that sometimes.

I guess you didn't go the game but i reckon you would have been out of place if you did. Despite booing the team off at half-time the fans responded to a better 2nd half, kept singing and belted out YNWA at the end of the game. I didn't hear them singing for the manager's head. The players will remember that when they walk out to play Watford this weekend and that's what makes LFC fans a class above the res Best fans in world and they proved that last night and last Saturday.

by **Smeg** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:49 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Kewell_7, Fowler is a shade of the player that was here previously, but you have been desperate to slate him every since you had kicked off about him coming back (and then looked stupid when he scored vital goals), forwards need matches to be sharp and he hasnt had any, he was up against some fantastic young players who are all great athletes....which i would agree he is isnt, but he did score, AGAIN, and that makes it 5 for the season, when he has started about 4 games...not too bad a ratio that is it ?

the whole reason i kicked off in the first place was to contest one statement.

"Fowler hadn't lost any ability or fitness and would score 25+ league goals a season once back at Liverpool"

it was then and its now. Fowler is ! He's slower than Hypia with a sack of coal on his back and his fitness is STILL poor. He's not been THAT player for years and although i openly admit he did prove me wrong last season, this year he cannot even make the bench, let alone the 1st team and its obvious he's never going to make the grade. I'd rather have us pushing a youth striker through, instead of a Fowler who's living off the past.

Pleb

by **Crouchamania** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:05 pm

Well it all boils down to this. Would you rather (hypotetically) have a young striker whos barely played a game in his career at first team and who wouldnt have much confidence or somebody who has a lot of experience and despite his age and slowness is one of the best finishers in the history of the game.

Make your own mind up.

by **Scouse_legend** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:12 pm

get dudek out plz lol he gotta go wats he done for the club yer he sorta did ite in the champions league part from that he done s hit all for liverpool his time should be up get carson back i tink his on loan aint he or kirkland wat ever 1 on loan get the back kirkland so get and so is carson dudek got nutin on them 2 fuk of dudek ure fault were out of fa cup and carling cup :angry:

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:42 pm

Crouchamania wrote:Well it all boils down to this. Would you rather (hypotetically) have a young striker whos barely played a game in his career at first team and who wouldnt have much confidence or somebody who has a lot of experience and despite his age and slowness is one of the best finishers in the history of the game.

Make your own mind up.

Fowler has no future in top flight football...he's too slow for the Premiership and too unfit for much else.

I'd rather have someone with a future...not someone whose being paid 30k a week to play in the reserves.

Do you know why he doesn't play for Liverpool? its because he can't run and has the fitness of a 40 year old....if you want 'legends' at the club, then why not get rush back? i'm sure he's still a quality finisher! :laugh:

by **Crouchamania** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:02 pm

Fowler has no future in top flight football...he's too slow for the Premiership and too unfit for much else.

I'd rather have someone with a future...not someone whose being paid 30k a week to play in the reserves.

Do you know why he doesn't play for Liverpool? its because he can't run and has the fitness of a 40 year old....if you want 'legends' at the club, then why not get rush back? i'm sure he's still a quality finisher!

Why dont we change the name of this post to dear dudek paletta and fowler (the last 1 from 7_kewell and nobody else)

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