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by **aCe'** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:51 pm

PureLoneWolf wrote:
aCe' wrote:i wasnt judging him...i think he's good but....trezeguet looks a better target and he's proven and not overpriced and a topclass striker...everything we need...stress on the PROVEN point.... and i think we can get him on loan...if not...might as well buy him ! value for money as i said....and he looks to be the real deal , orelse the big guns wouldnt have been tryin to get him to sign for them !

Proven how though - Neither of them is proven in the prem, and Trezeguet is a pace player - We have Bellamy and Flo Po for that - We have Crouch for the hustle and bustle target man role - What we need is strength and a target

IMO Kuyt will be better at this than Trezeguet.

Proven is important, but only when you refer to being proven in the prem.....

i ssnt mean proven in the prem..i meant proven as a topclass player...and i think sabre or someone said it in another thread....treze is proven in the italian league...so...if he can score 30/season in italy...he can sure as hell do the same in the prem....not so the case for kuyt ! and another thing...since when has trezeguet become a "pace player" ... he's all about that final touch...the one touch finish...the header into the far post...never been a pace player ! nothing like bellamy and flo. if u ask me ! he's not like any of the guys we have here in liverpool....he's a class finisher and thats what we need.....someone sais something about kuyt being a good linkup player.....we dont need that ! isnt that what crouchy is there to do....link up ... trezeguet is a finisher....kuyt is one too...but trezeguet has this edge to his game that kuyt seems to lack ! again....trezeguet is a proven worldclass act !

by **OctopusesGarden** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:04 pm

i agree, treze's 28 know & hitting his peak, world class player and would love to see him in a red jersey!

Very happy with the Pennant signing aswell. Gets balls into the box, beats men an he's got the best part of his career ahead of him. says on the official website that he crossed more balls into the box than anyone in the prem, almost 500 crosses last season an with Rafa's guidance he could be Beckhams replacement!

Does anyone know how serious we are about this Kuyt Fella? from what i seen at the world cup he wasnt that impressive

by **PureLoneWolf** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:08 pm

aCe' wrote:
PureLoneWolf wrote:
aCe' wrote:i wasnt judging him...i think he's good but....trezeguet looks a better target and he's proven and not overpriced and a topclass striker...everything we need...stress on the PROVEN point.... and i think we can get him on loan...if not...might as well buy him ! value for money as i said....and he looks to be the real deal , orelse the big guns wouldnt have been tryin to get him to sign for them !

Proven how though - Neither of them is proven in the prem, and Trezeguet is a pace player - We have Bellamy and Flo Po for that - We have Crouch for the hustle and bustle target man role - What we need is strength and a target

IMO Kuyt will be better at this than Trezeguet.

Proven is important, but only when you refer to being proven in the prem.....

i ssnt mean proven in the prem..i meant proven as a topclass player...and i think sabre or someone said it in another thread....treze is proven in the italian league...so...if he can score 30/season in italy...he can sure as hell do the same in the prem....not so the case for kuyt ! and another thing...since when has trezeguet become a "pace player" ... he's all about that final touch...the one touch finish...the header into the far post...never been a pace player ! nothing like bellamy and flo. if u ask me ! he's not like any of the guys we have here in liverpool....he's a class finisher and thats what we need.....someone sais something about kuyt being a good linkup player.....we dont need that ! isnt that what crouchy is there to do....link up ... trezeguet is a finisher....kuyt is one too...but trezeguet has this edge to his game that kuyt seems to lack ! again....trezeguet is a proven worldclass act !

I would completely dispute that 30 goals in Italy guarantees the same in the Prem - The style is entirely different.

All I really have to go on is the success that Horseface has had coming from the Dutch league to the Prem after being the best Dutch goalscorer in however long. Kuyt has a similar tag and for me could adapt in a similar way.

Maybe pace was the wrong asset to speak about Trez with, but he never seems the strongest to me and I can imagine him being roughed up by some of the Prem defenders more than Kuyt.

All that said though, it is completely academic, Rafa wants the best option for the good of the team. If he feels Trez can do the job, he will get him, same goes for Kuyt. Armchair opinions mean nothing to the man, and opinion is just that, opinion. Mine is no less valid than yours or anyone elses.

Rafa will pick the person he wants for the price he is willing to pay for the job he wants done - End of

by **aCe'** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:17 pm

What on earth ?! purelonewolf...if trezeguet can stand the challenges and strength of the italian league....he sure can in the prem....the italian league is the most physical/demanding league in the world....for you to be a striker and score so many goals....thats something ! i'v watched some dutch league games last season and quite a few two sseasons ago and i tell you.....you get to hold the ball and roam around for some time before u'r challenged ! not gonna happen in the prem ! def. not gonna happen in seieA ! better get ur info straight mate ! he's a solid striker with superb balance/positioning/finishing/heading....all the right attributes if u ask me !

by **aCe'** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:19 pm

one more thing....i know u cant judge in 2 games...but u can more or less tell....did u see how kuyt hit the ground everytime he was challenged for that ball....i dnt remember trezeguet ever falling so many times in one game....without getting penalties that is :;):

by **PureLoneWolf** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:31 pm

With all due respect the Italian league doesn't even come close to the physicality of the Prem, nor the pace - Not even close - Still, like I said before - Your opinion is your opinion, and mine is mine - It kind makes the world go round.

by **RUSHIE#9** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:32 pm

aCe' wrote:one more thing....i know u cant judge in 2 games...but u can more or less tell....did u see how kuyt hit the ground everytime he was challenged for that ball....i dnt remember trezeguet ever falling so many times in one game....without getting penalties that is

If you're on about the world cup there matey then the reason trezeguet didn't hit the deck as often as kuyt would probably be the fact that trez spent more time on the bench than the managers arse did!

If i've misunderstood your point....

TOUGH TITTIES

by **aCe'** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:41 pm

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by **woof woof !** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:52 pm

GOAT wrote:
quote woof woof "He'll still get my support , but with only 11 goals in 147 games and the price possibly rising to £8 million,he's gonna have to up his game ."

Yeah cos a right wingers main requirement is to score goals...you sound like SSN,...........

And you sound like a plank , I expect a winger (an attacking player) to show a better return than 11 goals in 147 games . If you take away the hatrick he scored for Arsenal way back when it looks even worse , 8 goals in 146 games . F'uck me , there are DEFENSIVE players with a better record than that.

We may have filled the right wing position BUT how effectively remains to be seen .

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:54 pm

Effes wrote:
Cool Hand Luke wrote:A few years ago I was fan of Pennant, when he was sitting in the reserves at Arsenal I said he would be a good signing for Liverpool,

You always do this, blow your own trumpet..

Cool Hindsight Luke

Let's not worry about the price.
The lad has always had potential, scoring a hat-trick in his Premiership debut is no mean feat.
Wasn't Shearer the last to do that?

I like the fact we've added another English player to our squad.
Got nowt against the imports but it balances it out a bit.

What are you talking about?

Everyone knew who Pennant was when he was a reserve player for Arsenal, I just thought he was worth taking a risk on a small fee because he showed potential.

If you look at the rest of my post you will see that I am actually I little disappointed we signed him.

You weird little man.

by **aCe'** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:58 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
GOAT wrote:
quote woof woof "He'll still get my support , but with only 11 goals in 147 games and the price possibly rising to £8 million,he's gonna have to up his game ."

Yeah cos a right wingers main requirement is to score goals...you sound like SSN,...........

And you sound like a plank , I expect a winger (an attacking player) to show a better return than 11 goals in 147 games . If you take away the hatrick he scored for Arsenal way back when it looks even worse , 8 goals in 146 games . F'uck me , there are DEFENSIVE players with a better record than that.

We may have filled the right wing position BUT how effectively remains to be seen .

8 in 146...thas almost as bad as crouch's record !

by **aCe'** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:00 am

that was a joke i know ill be getting posts saying how ridiculous wut i said sounds but..yea.....felt like the right thing to say !

by **GOAT** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:00 am

woof woof ! wrote:
GOAT wrote:
quote woof woof "He'll still get my support , but with only 11 goals in 147 games and the price possibly rising to £8 million,he's gonna have to up his game ."

Yeah cos a right wingers main requirement is to score goals...you sound like SSN,...........

And you sound like a plank , I expect a winger (an attacking player) to show a better return than 11 goals in 147 games . If you take away the hatrick he scored for Arsenal way back when it looks even worse , 8 goals in 146 games . F'uck me , there are DEFENSIVE players with a better record than that.

We may have filled the right wing position BUT how effectively remains to be seen .

Yeah they should score goals but your making it sound like thats the only thing that matters, the amount of goals they score...

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:06 am

aCe' wrote:one more thing....i know u cant judge in 2 games...but u can more or less tell....did u see how kuyt hit the ground everytime he was challenged for that ball....i dnt remember trezeguet ever falling so many times in one game....without getting penalties that is

We've already been into the Trezeguet in Serie A thing, mate, so I don't want to go there again.

But, turning to the World Cup...

You seem to be judging Kuyt based on what you saw of him at the World Cup (2-3 games). Am I right? Well, there's considerable danger in doing that.

Let's take a different example than Kuyt. Say......your man Trezeguet. Based on the World Cup, we'd be stooges to pay 7 million let alone 13 million for him! As Rushie#9 pointed out, he spent the vast majority of the tournament on the bench doing feck all. When he did come on he was anonymous. Top class? Proven? Not based on what I saw last month!

See how problematic it is to judge a player on their World Cup performance? You rate Trezeguet highly and I respect that but I think you should allow for the possibility that Kuyt is a much better player than what he showed at the World Cup (just like I'm sure that Trezeguet must be). I mean, he can't be total sh!te right, or Rafa'd be no where near the guy!

by **woof woof !** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:12 am

Paul C wrote:
aCe' wrote:6.7 mill for a sub isnt all that bad . i just dont know why 10mill for a first team player is too much if 6.7mill for a sub isnt !

A sub?

So who do you think is going to be our starting right winger, Rafa hasn't spend £6.7m for Pennant to sit on the bench!!

Assuming that Rafa hasn't bought him to sit on the bench , with Gerrard moved back inside, Alosonso or Sissoko are gonna be fighting it out for the remaining CM spot . Unless of course he goes with a 5 man midfield with Gerrard pushed forward .

The more i think about it , Rafa's permutations are now seemingly endless.

Can't wait for the season to start.

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