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Good Bob wrote:Complete rubbish.

He's a very good player. He'd get into most sides in the country. He's not world class, he's not a great player and he's unbelievabley overated. But to suggest he's as poor as that is madness. He's good enough to be in the england squad.

john craig wrote:

Good Bob wrote:Complete rubbish.

He's a very good player. He'd get into most sides in the country. He's not world class, he's not a great player and he's unbelievabley overated. But to suggest he's as poor as that is madness. He's good enough to be in the england squad.

I didn't say he's not a very good player, I didn't say he wouldn't get into most sides in the country and I didn't say he's not worth his place in the England squad.

I'm saying he's a lazy fecking kunt and to say he's got fantastic stamina which is why he's 'so consistent' is complete rubbish.

*_Ruthless_* wrote:The Sun newspaper gave Lampard 7 and Gerrard 6 .. I think Chris Waddle did the rating! His reasons were Gerrard played well first half but faded second half and Lampard had 3 good strikes from distance! What a load of Bull from an ex England international .. (mind you any strike is a good one if its under the bar uh Chris )

john craig wrote:I'm sure there will be plenty more chat this summer about the English midfield combo of Lampard/Gerrard h:

My only contribution to this thread is to ask the question

Why is it "Lampard/Gerrard " , does that suggest some subliminal programming ?

Not only is Gerrard the better player imo but, even if the debate is unresolved surely G still comes before L in our alphabet ?

Sorry John , just fed up with seeing Stevie's name tagged after Fat Franks . 

s@int wrote:The biggest problem England have with Gerrard and Fat Frank is that they both like to play "Hollywood balls " rather than short passes to keep possession. At club level both look world class because they have people like Hamann and Makelele who play the SHORT simple pass and keep possession, enabling Gerrard and Lampard to play the fantastic passes. Its very noticable that Gerrard plays much better with Hamann than with Alonso and that he had such a great season with Alonso AND Sissoko than when played with just Alonso. Similarly with England Gerrard looked a much better player before Lampard became a regular. Neither Gerrard or Lampard are players that will enable a team to keep possession for long but both are players who with one fantastic pass can change or win a game. I think its time Sven dropped Fat Frank(even though he is a great player) and brought in a midfield player to compliment Gerrards talent (he is a much more imaginative and creative passer than Fat Frank)

Ace Ventura wrote:

s@int wrote:The biggest problem England have with Gerrard and Fat Frank is that they both like to play "Hollywood balls " rather than short passes to keep possession. At club level both look world class because they have people like Hamann and Makelele who play the SHORT simple pass and keep possession, enabling Gerrard and Lampard to play the fantastic passes. Its very noticable that Gerrard plays much better with Hamann than with Alonso and that he had such a great season with Alonso AND Sissoko than when played with just Alonso. Similarly with England Gerrard looked a much better player before Lampard became a regular. Neither Gerrard or Lampard are players that will enable a team to keep possession for long but both are players who with one fantastic pass can change or win a game. I think its time Sven dropped Fat Frank(even though he is a great player) and brought in a midfield player to compliment Gerrards talent (he is a much more imaginative and creative passer than Fat Frank)

Spot on that mate.

That imo is Englands biggest problem, and will be there undoing in the tournament (unless tactics change)
Not one player in our midfield gives it simple and thinks about posession.
Gerrard Lampard and Beckham are all guilty of trying too many extravagant passes when there are simple options on.
Joe Cole, our most consistent midfielder the last 6 or so games often tries to beat his man when there is a simple pass on, now we do need him to unlock defences but his decision making is poor alot of the time, and posession is conceded by all 4 players time and again.
It is inviting pressure and also wasting players energy, and in the conditions they are playing in, it will be there undoing.
I seriously would drop Lampard and play Carrick, someone who will sit in front of the back four, he is positionally sound and gives the ball simple. He can also spot a pass as well as Lampard. We would retain posession far better and it would allow Gerrard to get forward more, giving our attacks more pace and invention.
Lampard is good enough to be in the squad and his scoring rate is impressive, but if he shoots EVERY time he gets within 30 yards of the goal (at least 3 times a match) then unless you cant strike a ball cleanly, goals will follow.
Sven needs to think about whats better for England, and for now imo it is a midfield without Lampard in it.