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Liverpool Football Club - General Discussion

Postby 112-1077774096 » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:28 am

The Red Baron wrote:Ah the six million dollar question rears its head again,many a happy hour has been spent pondering this one in hostelries up and down the country.Basically the rule of thumb is,if you are discussing it with someone older than yourself,they will always tell you the old days were the best days.If you are discussing it with someone from the same era thats when the fun begins.

I was taken to first game about 1968/69 by my Dad a short walk across Stanley Park from our home in Walton,I can still picture it now.The houses that back onto the alleyway that runs from the King Harry pub, up to the ground used to charge fans to leave their bikes in there backyards,imagine that nowadays going the match on a pushbike and shoving your bycicle clips in your pocket.The Kop was the first and best football terrace I ever stood on,and it broke my heart when they put seats on it.At that time the kop also housed the boys pen,a section that was penned off in the top right hand corner many alad took his life in his hands climbing out and into the rafters of the mighty Kop.

In those days there was limited TV coverage of football,the only live games were the FA Cup final and the World cup every four years.Every Saturday before going to the match everybody would watch football focus then turn over to watch on the ball,the interviews with Shanks were always listened to in hushed rooms in case anybody missed a word,of what the great man was saying.As I got older I followed my beloved Liverpool all over the country and Europe losing jobs along the way and loving every second of it,even when coming within millimeteres of losing an eye at one particularly violent day out at Birmingham City.

I have been lucky enough to see some great players over the years Keegan,Toshack,Dalgleish Souness,Alan Hansen to name but a few,and witnessed a trophy haul as long as my arm but I still havent answered the question! its simply because I cant.

I have great memories but Iam sure the achievments of the side Rafa is putting together will become great memories in the future.I wasnt in Istanbul on that magical night in May and that my friends is the biggest regret of my life.Like everything football has moved on not all for the better but in some respects it has.In the main we have kissed goodbye to hooliganism and racism is on the wane.We can sit in some degree of comfort and not be worried abot standing in urine in a pair of decent shoes.Although football on a Sunday and Monday night still gets my back up.

So the good old days,or present day,There is no choice to make I just count myself lucky to support the most succsesful team in the country,that has given me so much pleasure over the years with plenty more to come.

brilliant mate, nice read
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Postby neil » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:40 pm

Red Rafa Revolution wrote:i prefer football from the 80s. not so cynical and commercialise like today. although it is still very exciting, the chances of other teams causing an upset or winning major trophies are over.

Yes, the decade that brought us shirt sponsorship, money related tv blackout, the hand of god, Robert Maxwell, yes, those were the days(I obviously could have posted something a bit darker, but I'd rather not).

The talk of football being better these days does not explain why Brazil in 1970 produced the finest football ever played, the Brazilian team in 1982 were the the finest exhibitors of the game that I have had the pleasure to witness( in a contempary sense).
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Postby sinema » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:05 pm

Great post, Baron.  You've expressed many of my thoughts, but better than I could.
The thing that spoils the modern game for me is the amount of money involved, the admission charges and the obscene wages paid to even average players.  The players, although admired, seemed more "ordinary" in the old days.  I can remember Ronnie Moran, having just played left back against the great Tom Finney, leaving the ground and heading straight into the local bookies to check his bets.
When Shankly pulled us up by our bootstraps and we won the Championship in 1964, Yeats, St. John and others celebrated in a pub off Scottie Road. 
There is a newspaper quote from the 64/66 era which I have never forgotten - "Dictionaries have been drained of superlatives to describe the strength, skill and resilience of this wonderful Liverpool team".  Isn't that brilliant?
Sorry, I've gone off-topic.
The pitches are better these days, the grounds are safer, the game is quicker (too quick in my opinion) and the internationalisation (?) of the English leagues is to be welcomed, but a dash of the old honesty and humour would not go amiss.
I've just been lucky to have had a lifetime supporting what I consider to be the best club in the world, bar none.
Forgive my ramblings.
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Postby 84-1106852058 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:01 pm

sinema wrote:Great post, Baron.  You've expressed many of my thoughts, but better than I could.
The thing that spoils the modern game for me is the amount of money involved, the admission charges and the obscene wages paid to even average players.  The players, although admired, seemed more "ordinary" in the old days.  I can remember Ronnie Moran, having just played left back against the great Tom Finney, leaving the ground and heading straight into the local bookies to check his bets.
When Shankly pulled us up by our bootstraps and we won the Championship in 1964, Yeats, St. John and others celebrated in a pub off Scottie Road. 
There is a newspaper quote from the 64/66 era which I have never forgotten - "Dictionaries have been drained of superlatives to describe the strength, skill and resilience of this wonderful Liverpool team".  Isn't that brilliant?
Sorry, I've gone off-topic.
The pitches are better these days, the grounds are safer, the game is quicker (too quick in my opinion) and the internationalisation (?) of the English leagues is to be welcomed, but a dash of the old honesty and humour would not go amiss.
I've just been lucky to have had a lifetime supporting what I consider to be the best club in the world, bar none.
Forgive my ramblings.

Listen mate you ramble as much as you like.Memories are a very special thing,good or bad we qwould be much the poorer without them.
That newspaper quote was a classic,it must have made some impression on you to stay with you all of these years.That was a nice point about Ronnie Moran checking his bets in the bookies.I bet it was a shilling double as opposed to the 10 grand on the nose of some of todays footballers.
I remember being on a pre-season tour,we were playing Anderlecht,as the team coach pulled up outside the ground, it was surrounded by young Liverpool fans looking for tickets.A bald man being the first off the bus informed them there were no tickets for anybody.Who the Fu.ks that said some kid.
Thats Ronnie Moran, he missed a penalty against Swansea in 1964.Moran couldnt believe it a penalty miss 20 odd years previous still being thrown in his face.
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Postby tubby » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:05 pm

Having been born in 82 i cannot talk for those years in person. All i can say is Liverpool were the first team that i ever saw and ive been in love with them ever since. Im proud to support Liverpool no matter what the result. And there ahve been some shyte results over the years but i have a feeling the next decade will be different.
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Postby *R*E*D*S* » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:26 pm

i prefer now....coz i wasnt alive then
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