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by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:28 pm

mate that is now in the past we live in a time where results must come quick or we start to lose money fast Rafa was told what he needed to do this year and right now he is finding it hard, no its not all his fault we have had tones of bad luck and we have been left with some poor players but what he did do was to play all the poor players to make sure and that did cost us a few game to stat with.
if we dont get into the 4th spot then we will have loads of money probs .

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:30 pm

A.B. wrote:
look we all know that Houllier turned into a bad manager in the last 2 years but before that i bet none of you where saying the way he got us to play was cr** when we won the fa cup and the Uefa Cup as that was how we won it .

Winning the FA Cup and the UEFA Cup was good, but not good enough for the stature of our club. If you like settling for such cups perhaps you should support some other club.

Houllier did not win two competions that we needed to win, one being the Premiership and the other being the Champions League.

yes thats right but we have not won them for 15years not just 6 years our probs go deep and most of us know that, you can not say that we have just had bad luck for the last 15years.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:31 pm

And BTW there are more internationals in april :angry:

I think that ****** us up big time yesterday.

by **A.B.** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:32 pm

mate that is now in the past we live in a time where results must come quick or we start to lose money fast Rafa was told what he needed to do this year and right now he is finding it hard, no its not all his fault we have had tones of bad luck and we have been left with some poor players but what he did do was to play all the poor players to make sure and that did cost us a few game to stat with.
if we dont get into the 4th spot then we will have loads of money probs .

I can name world class players we have on my fingers, the rest are Premiership class and some are below that but hardly World Class. In order to win the CL and the Premiership you need world class players, we don't have enough of those players.

Rafa is working with what he has available. This is a pre-season to the following seasons. The reason I say that is because Rafa will know what to do and not do next year after his first year experience in the Premiership.

by **A.B.** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:33 pm

yes thats right but we have not won them for 15years not just 6 years our probs go deep and most of us know that, you can not say that we have just had bad luck for the last 15years.

Rafa has one of the better track records out there, if you don't believe me then look it up. If he can not get the job done in 5 years time then no manager will. Rafa is the right man for the job.

You've set standards way too high for somebody in their first season.

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:34 pm

A.B. wrote:
mate that is now in the past we live in a time where results must come quick or we start to lose money fast Rafa was told what he needed to do this year and right now he is finding it hard, no its not all his fault we have had tones of bad luck and we have been left with some poor players but what he did do was to play all the poor players to make sure and that did cost us a few game to stat with.
if we dont get into the 4th spot then we will have loads of money probs .

I can name world class players we have on my fingers, the rest are Premiership class and some are below that but hardly World Class. In order to win the CL and the Premiership you need world class players, we don't have enough of those players.

Rafa is working with what he has available. This is a pre-season to the following seasons. The reason I say that is because Rafa will know what to do and not do next year after his first year experience in the Premiership.

yes you are right he will know what to do next year but he will not have much money if we dont get 4th this year and that will mean that next year will be the same as this year

by **Ciggy** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:35 pm

Maybe he had plans for 4-5-1 for europe seen as we have no morientes for our CL games? And I am sure that idea will be scrapped from now on. He had to play Biscan yesterday he couldnt drop Stevie, Biscan needs some matches under his belt as Stevie cannot play against Bayer.

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:36 pm

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Maybe he had plans for 4-5-1 for europe seen as we have no morientes for our CL games? And I am sure that idea will be scrapped from now on. He had to play Biscan yesterday he couldnt drop Stevie, Biscan needs some matches under his belt as Stevie cannot play against Bayer.

yes i must say that did cross my mind when i see him do it but lets hope he found out it dont work

by **A.B.** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:42 pm

yes you are right he will know what to do next year but he will not have much money if we dont get 4th this year and that will mean that next year will be the same as this year

Even if we finished in fourth place we would have to beat another side in order to qualify for the CHampions League. Just because you finish fourth doesn't mean that you get tons loads of money.

If we progress further in the Champions League this year we will make more money giving Rafa some extra funds in the somewhere plus whatever the chairman is willing to give out of his own pocket. Add that along with the sale of Steven Gerrard and players like Biscan.

Birmingham were going to play at their best because they didn't win 5 previous matches, Rafa knew that so he used the 4-5-1 formation which could be the formation he uses against Bayer Leverkusen as we don't have many options.

It did not work very well because he had to play Baros out of position, however that won't be the case against Bayer as we only have Baros,Mellor and La Tallec. Most likely it will be Baros the only up front with Hamann,Biscan,and the rest in midfield.

by **Santa** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:25 pm

lakes10 wrote:...i bet none of you where saying the way he got us to play was cr** when we won the fa cup and the Uefa Cup as that was how we won it .

As a purist, the way we won the games then were pure ugly. We packed the defence and counter attacked. If not because of Owen (who was at his peak then) who got the goals in vital games against Roma and Arsenal (FA Cup final) and the signing of Macca (masterstroke by Houllier), we stand no chance to win anything then. Beyond that, the football that we play was negative, you think that's good? Open the paper the day after we beat Barca and all you see is negative press about the way we played.

lakes, you stand on Rafa is noted. No point repeating the same thing everytime we got a bad game. You say qualifying for Champions League is vital, yet you proposed that we hire a manager with no European experience... care to reason that out?

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:03 pm

no what you say is true but if we had a manager that was winning the prem year after year then i am sure he would be given the time to get European games right, dont get me wrong i am not set on big sam , rafa would have been my last choice as our manager.
he will start to get it right game after game but it is going to take a long time but one of my fears is that as soon he gets it right he will be offerd the Real job and take it.

by **lakes10** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:09 pm

by the way i dont always bring up how i feel about rafa most of the time i come on here and say somthing that has nothing to do with him but it gets thrown in my face and then i reply and it all kicks off , i can say the we play poor with out saying sack the manager you know.
Rafa will be our manager for next year even if we end up 5th or 6th .
anyway if i started to say that i like him just to fit in on here that that would make me a hypocrite (you never know Rafa might one day win me over)

by **stmichael** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:25 pm

damn right he should be disappointed. yesterday was absolute dross.

i'm a benitez fan but he's done exactly what i've been criticising him for all season. after winning two games on the trot and gaining some confidence, he changes the formation of the team.

it just baffles me.

by **Santa** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:38 am

lakes10 wrote:but one of my fears is that as soon he gets it right he will be offerd the Real job and take it.

what sort of reasoning is that? Even a born and bred Scoucer will leave us for higher pay and personal glory. What makes Rafa so different? If he is to leave us with a winning foundation, it will be easier for the next person to take on the job, perhaps someone who can take us to another level?
The hard work is now and next season, and Rafa is the most qualified judging by his past record...or perhaps you would prefer someone with no winning experience with a mid-table team just because they got an English name?

Please, please let me know which other name(s) you have in mind, and why you think he/she is rank above Rafa in your book. That way we can have a better understanding and stop jumping down each other's throat every week and to give your rants more credence

by **The_Rock** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:03 am

Lets be objective. Rafa has to take a fair share of the blame (though i am not saying he should be fired).
1)Selecting Biscan
2)Playing baros on the right ?
3)Bringing off riise
4)Bringing on pelle when we were down 2-0

I don't think the guys up @ nasa can figuare this one out....

This isn't the 1st time he had come-up with a strange 1st team line-up. What do u expect from a biscan & hamann midfield combo ? They ain't gonna create any chances. :angry:

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