Luis Suarez signs for Barcelona

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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 5:41 pm

tubby » Tue May 06, 2014 4:25 pm wrote:I can't see him being sold unless Rogers and FSG think it's in the interest of their long term plans to do so. I don't know though if there was anything in the new contract that allows him a get out if a figure is met. Suarez is important to any future success so it's vital we do everything possible to keep him, which includes signing other top quality players. With the world cup looming transfer talk will ramp up anyway and last nights events will only throw fuel on the fire. We need to move quickly to sign good players. Doing so will send a signal to him and other top players at the club that we mean business and that it's in their interest to hang around.


Yeah I agree with that, bringing in a couple of quality players early (with the promise of more to come) might stop Luis getting his head turned at the WC.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 10:09 pm

Here's a poser for you, say we got a huge bid from City of £75m + Richards for Luis and we took that money to Everton and offered them the lot for Barkley and Coleman, then FSG gave Brendan the funds to bring in Lallana and Begovic would you go for it if this is how we'd start next season?

                                     Begovic

Richards.        Skrtel/Ilorri.       Sakho.          Coleman

                          Hendo.           Barkley

            Sterling.         Coutinho.        Lallana

                                  Sturridge
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Tue May 06, 2014 10:35 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 9:09 pm wrote:Here's a poser for you, say we got a huge bid from City of £75m + Richards for Luis and we took that money to Everton and offered them the lot for Barkley and Coleman, then FSG gave Brendan the funds to bring in Lallana and Begovic would you go for it if this is how we'd start next season?

                                     Begovic

Richards.        Skrtel/Ilorri.       Sakho.          Coleman

                          Hendo.           Barkley

            Sterling.         Coutinho.        Lallana

                                  Sturridge

Odd. You don't think Gerrard will be a certain start next season?
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Postby The Good Yank » Tue May 06, 2014 11:19 pm

SouthCoastShankly » Tue May 06, 2014 4:35 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 9:09 pm wrote:Here's a poser for you, say we got a huge bid from City of £75m + Richards for Luis and we took that money to Everton and offered them the lot for Barkley and Coleman, then FSG gave Brendan the funds to bring in Lallana and Begovic would you go for it if this is how we'd start next season?

                                     Begovic

Richards.        Skrtel/Ilorri.       Sakho.          Coleman

                          Hendo.           Barkley

            Sterling.         Coutinho.        Lallana

                                  Sturridge

Odd. You don't think Gerrard will be a certain start next season?

I completely missed that part of his post I was left thinking what the hell we would do with 5 RB's
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 11:37 pm

SouthCoastShankly » Tue May 06, 2014 9:35 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 9:09 pm wrote:Here's a poser for you, say we got a huge bid from City of £75m + Richards for Luis and we took that money to Everton and offered them the lot for Barkley and Coleman, then FSG gave Brendan the funds to bring in Lallana and Begovic would you go for it if this is how we'd start next season?

                                     Begovic

Richards.        Skrtel/Ilorri.       Sakho.          Coleman

                          Hendo.           Barkley

            Sterling.         Coutinho.        Lallana

                                  Sturridge

Odd. You don't think Gerrard will be a certain start next season?


I haven't said who I want to start next season, I'm just wondering if fans think the idea of selling our best player in order to strengthen other area's of the team is a good one.
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Postby ConnO'var » Wed May 07, 2014 12:58 am

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 10:37 pm wrote:
SouthCoastShankly » Tue May 06, 2014 9:35 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 9:09 pm wrote:Here's a poser for you, say we got a huge bid from City of £75m + Richards for Luis and we took that money to Everton and offered them the lot for Barkley and Coleman, then FSG gave Brendan the funds to bring in Lallana and Begovic would you go for it if this is how we'd start next season?

                                     Begovic

Richards.        Skrtel/Ilorri.       Sakho.          Coleman

                          Hendo.           Barkley

            Sterling.         Coutinho.        Lallana

                                  Sturridge

Odd. You don't think Gerrard will be a certain start next season?


I haven't said who I want to start next season, I'm just wondering if fans think the idea of selling our best player in order to strengthen other area's of the team is a good one.


Yakka,

Its an interesting question. For me its too risky.... though on paper, it does look tempting.
Richards for one is a gamble. He has been out of action for a long time and something smells funny as 2 city managers have chosen to ignore him as a squad member. Once upon a time he was considered superb and i for one was always an admirer of his talents but something has apparently changed... I suspect its either physical or attitude.

Coleman is an interesting proposition but he is used to playing in a more balanced (not too attack oriented setup) and our style of play may expose him or rather any limitations he may have when much more is expected of him.

Barkley is someone that I think will suit us very well and I am a big fan. Probably the least risky to ingrate into the squad. A definite yes for me and if i was in charge, i would move mountains to land him.

Adam Lallana I am not completely sold on.... He has had a wonderful season and full kudos to the lad but he is tiny and not physical enough, in my books, to play in the center of the park. Perhaps as left sided midfielder as you have envisaged in the line up posted, he may be ok. But no, I am not entirely convinced. He does have the skills and technical capability but i wonder if this is a flash in the pan year for him and mentally I am not sure he is tough enough.

Begovic is a yes for sure... though I suspect that if we had a better leader in the CB position, we would not need him to replace Mign

Plus there is that risk of getting all of these new players to integrate well. I won't use the Tottenham misadventure with Bale as an example as I don't think that is an entirely correct conclusion to derive, as Bale alone did not make the whole team though he was an important cog. I thought Tottenham was poorly man managed by AVB and they have a scumbag of a chairman who was too trigger happy.

In short, to answer your questions, NO, its not a good idea to sell Luis to get the team above.

For me, the areas we need stregthening for sure are RB, one CB, CM... a hard as nails one.... and a engine room type.... someone down the left.

I know it is not popular, but I would defintely cash in on Sturridge as I certainly don't think he is mentally tough enough and i don't like the impression he gives me of being a prima donna and a high maintenance player.

so no mate... IMHO, that is not a good idea.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Wed May 07, 2014 5:14 am

We need someone better than Coutinho and Lucas. The latter is pure rubbish while the former is inconsistent.
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Postby devaney » Wed May 07, 2014 7:54 am

Bloomin eck lads Coutinho and Sturridge need an upgrade. There are several other areas I would concentrate on first starting with a major overhaul of the back four.
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Postby Stu the Red » Wed May 07, 2014 9:26 am

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 3:30 pm wrote:But the main thing for me is Rodgers, give him time and money and I think he'll get it right.


The key to this though, is learning from his mistakes. As much as I hated Alex Ferguson that was something he was very very very good at. If Rodgers can learn from his, he could well be a top manager in a few years, he's certainly done himself and his reputation no harm this season. I do believe a specific defensive coach would help the situation (Phil Thompson maybe?).
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Postby Santa » Thu May 08, 2014 6:13 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 06, 2014 9:09 pm wrote:...say we got a huge bid from City of £75m + Richards for Luis and we took that money to Everton and offered them the lot for Barkley and Coleman, then FSG gave Brendan the funds to bring in Lallana and Begovic would you go for it if this is how we'd start next season?


I know what you are suggesting but you don't sell our #1 asset to your biggest rival and not taking one of their regular starter as well? Anyway I don't think they will sell Richards because of the need to meet the home grown player quota for Europe next season but I could be wrong? and selling Suarez to a domestic rival for £75M? just because City is our domestic rival, his value should go up by at least 25% to make any sense.

There's no way Everton will sell us either Coleman or Barkley although I would blow a good fortune on them both. Lallana I like and we should only buy Asmir if we could raise enough funds trimming our deadwoods.
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Postby damjan193 » Thu May 08, 2014 7:15 pm

It's simple Yakka, you don't sell your best player. I know that it's a bit of a cliche but it's true. I refused to agree that Suarez dragged us to where we are by himself, but to be honest, it's not too far from the truth. I do believe that we'll have to sell him some day though, and the sooner it is the more money we'll get, so I can see your logic. But I think that we'll need to keep him for at least one more season, because we still have little stability despite the very successful season, and the Premier League can be a very unpredictable league.
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Postby devaney » Thu May 08, 2014 8:23 pm

Yakka I think selling Suarez to City would be similar if not considerably worse than Arsenal selling RVP to Man United. Unless of course you are thinking that their money is simply going to monopolise the PL for the foreseeable future. I don't share that vision. City have won the PL on goal difference and that may happen again. They certainly haven't managed to run away with it United style. The problem is that we could possibly improve other areas of the team but short of a minor miracle our strike force would be dramatically weakened.
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Postby red till i die!! » Thu May 08, 2014 9:45 pm

personally id prefer if suarez was to remain here for the best part of his career  :nod 
we need to hold on to top players like him for so many reasons and the least being money. he's the best player we have and not easily replaced especially for the amount we will want to spend.
sad to think that some are even speculating on how much city will give us for him  :help if he does a torres then thats a different story but under no circumstances should we be selling our best players to anyone in the prem.
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Postby woof woof ! » Sun May 11, 2014 9:56 am

Bloody Real Madrid gossip just won't go away. Some papers still reporting they've made Luis their number one target and will start bidding at around a laughable £60 million + Benzema  :(

I've no doubt we'd turn that down but ultimately despite signing a new long term contract so much will depend on whether Luis still wants to stick with us.
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Postby C-R » Sun May 11, 2014 10:32 am

100 million minimum and throw in Coentrao and Isco  ???
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