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Yes but running around a football pitch for 90mins plus isn't one - after all that travelling the body isn't prepared for it

Don't think I suggested for one minute that running around a football pitch for 90 minutes was a remedy for jet lag. His schedule doesn't seem to suggest that he will have to jump off a plane and then almost immediately play for 90 minutes as far as I can see.

After the Fulham match Luis has got to play 3 games in 14 days. I think he will cope just fine.  A bit of travelling won't cause him a problem. He's never had a problem in the past. Jet lag affects people differently.

Here's my advise to Luis when he's played and gets on the plane...

1. get some grub down ya
2. have a couple of whiskies
3. knock one out
4. sleep time.

He should sleep really well all the way home.  rested.

Playing the amount of games is not the problem - it's the 17000 miles travelling that could cause a problem

Thankfully I believe BR realises the problem and this season he has options able to come in ( unlike last season hence why he played every time ) . Wouldn't surprise me to see him on the bench for the Derby

I'm guessing he'll be one of the first 3 names on the Liverpool team sheet come derby day

We will certainly see soon enough.

devaney » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:24 pm wrote:Don't think I suggested for one minute that running around a football pitch for 90 minutes was a remedy for jet lag. His schedule doesn't seem to suggest that he will have to jump off a plane and then almost immediately play for 90 minutes as far as I can see.

After the Fulham match Luis has got to play 3 games in 14 days. I think he will cope just fine.  A bit of travelling won't cause him a problem. He's never had a problem in the past. Jet lag affects people differently.

It sounds to me just like a bunch of fools "benny included again" trying to find a problem when their isn't one.

The lad will probably perform the same way with jet lag as he does without match practice... and just incase you missed that Benny, thats like a f*cking genius.

Benny The Noon » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:50 am wrote:Yes the effective way is to rest after long journeys - it's what Masher used to do.

BR wanted to rest Suarez last season but couldn't - this season he can

Not for the majority of people. I fly between 10 and 15 long haul flights all over the world (mainly travelling east to the US, but 25% of the time travelling west) each year, I can tell you first hand that resting is the worst thing you can do for jet lag. The key most business travellers like myself stick to - is to force yourself into the new timezone as soon as possible. That means staying awake, even if your body clock is at 2/3AM - or forcing yourself to sleep when you don't need to.

There is no magic cure for jet lag, even to footballers. We all have the same bodies with the same constraints. Footballers will have the benefit of a flat bed seat when travelling and to that extent they wont have a flight experience that exasperates the problem but the jet lag regardless will take 48-72hrs to recover from.

SouthCoastShankly » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:57 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:50 am wrote:Yes the effective way is to rest after long journeys - it's what Masher used to do.

BR wanted to rest Suarez last season but couldn't - this season he can

Not for the majority of people. I fly between 10 and 15 long haul flights all over the world (mainly travelling east to the US, but 25% of the time travelling west) each year, I can tell you first hand that resting is the worst thing you can do for jet lag. The key most business travellers like myself stick to - is to force yourself into the new timezone as soon as possible. That means staying awake, even if your body clock is at 2/3AM - or forcing yourself to sleep when you don't need to.

There is no magic cure for jet lag, even to footballers. We all have the same bodies with the same constraints. Footballers will have the benefit of a flat bed seat when travelling and to that extent they wont have a flight experience that exasperates the problem but the jet lag regardless will take 48-72hrs to recover from.

All I can say to that is I've been on long distance flights myself (nine hours and twelve hours) and have never felt "jet lag".

To be quite honest, the only time I ever did feel spaced out and tired after a flight was after a flight to the canaries. (not so sure that would count as jet lag).

My point is, different people react very differently to these things, for me, its just all in the mind (I'm not saying its like that for everyone). But its not something that has ever effected me so far in my life, so there is a good chance that at times, it won't effect other people too.

StuYesThatStu » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:37 pm wrote:

devaney » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:24 pm wrote:Don't think I suggested for one minute that running around a football pitch for 90 minutes was a remedy for jet lag. His schedule doesn't seem to suggest that he will have to jump off a plane and then almost immediately play for 90 minutes as far as I can see.

After the Fulham match Luis has got to play 3 games in 14 days. I think he will cope just fine.  A bit of travelling won't cause him a problem. He's never had a problem in the past. Jet lag affects people differently.

It sounds to me just like a bunch of fools "benny included again" trying to find a problem when their isn't one.

The lad will probably perform the same way with jet lag as he does without match practice... and just incase you missed that Benny, thats like a f*cking genius.

It is a problem with a player travelling all those miles then playing football matches in between - the guy isn't a robot and it will take a toil with the human body

It's not just the jet lag it's the stress on the human body. I would prefer to have a 100% fully fit player playing than someone running at 50%.

Players playing in South America has always been a problem for Prem Managers but most have been able to rest the players until they are fully fit again.

SouthCoastShankly » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:57 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:50 am wrote:Yes the effective way is to rest after long journeys - it's what Masher used to do.

BR wanted to rest Suarez last season but couldn't - this season he can

Not for the majority of people. I fly between 10 and 15 long haul flights all over the world (mainly travelling east to the US, but 25% of the time travelling west) each year, I can tell you first hand that resting is the worst thing you can do for jet lag. The key most business travellers like myself stick to - is to force yourself into the new timezone as soon as possible. That means staying awake, even if your body clock is at 2/3AM - or forcing yourself to sleep when you don't need to.

There is no magic cure for jet lag, even to footballers. We all have the same bodies with the same constraints. Footballers will have the benefit of a flat bed seat when travelling and to that extent they wont have a flight experience that exasperates the problem but the jet lag regardless will take 48-72hrs to recover from.

You stay "active " to stay awake - resting doesn't always mean sleeping. Plenty of flights to East going to work and getting into a new timezone and physical exercise ( which tires you more ) isn't the best way to go. Someone jet lagged won't be a top physical fitness so Suarez would be more prone to injury if played after long journeys. Last season we had no choice - this season we do.

Benny The Noon » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:18 pm wrote:

StuYesThatStu » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:37 pm wrote:

devaney » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:24 pm wrote:Don't think I suggested for one minute that running around a football pitch for 90 minutes was a remedy for jet lag. His schedule doesn't seem to suggest that he will have to jump off a plane and then almost immediately play for 90 minutes as far as I can see.

After the Fulham match Luis has got to play 3 games in 14 days. I think he will cope just fine.  A bit of travelling won't cause him a problem. He's never had a problem in the past. Jet lag affects people differently.

It sounds to me just like a bunch of fools "benny included again" trying to find a problem when their isn't one.

The lad will probably perform the same way with jet lag as he does without match practice... and just incase you missed that Benny, thats like a f*cking genius.

It is a problem with a player travelling all those miles then playing football matches in between - the guy isn't a robot and it will take a toil with the human body

It's not just the jet lag it's the stress on the human body. I would prefer to have a 100% fully fit player playing than someone running at 50%.

Players playing in South America has always been a problem for Prem Managers but most have been able to rest the players until they are fully fit again.

The same way as its a problem playing someone who "lacks match practise"? They "won't be as sharp"?

I'm going to make this very clear. Everything you've just posted as fact, is nothing more than your opinion and prediction on a situation that will probably never happen. (Pointless as usual).

Also a fact, is "jet lag" effects everyone in different ways, some not at all, so where on earth do you get 50% fit from? As I said, mountain, mole hill, making up problems to beat Suarez with.

Jog on. You're boring everyone again.

Making up problems ? I haven't made up anything - it was from an article. And no one is certainly "beating" Suarez - if anything it's the opposite to ensure we get the best out of him.

It's also a problem that prem managers have acknowledged themselves hence why players like Tevez , Oscar even masher in the past have been rested after long journeys from SA World Cup Qualifying. That is a fact.

Again it's not just the jet lag that is a problem.

Again our own manager recognises that is could be a problem and even wanted to rest Suarez last season after long trips away but couldn't due to lack of options.

A seasoned long haul traveller like SCS suggests a 48/72 hours recovery time for jet lag which I certainly do not think is the case for professional sports people but for the sake of this argument I will go along with his possible superior knowledge. On that basis how is jet lag going to be a problem given Luis's schedule and SCS's recovery times which I fully agree with for a reasonably fit person but not a super fit footballer like Luis. Fitness is a very important aspect in relation to how the body behaves and recovers after a long haul flight.

International Sports Board for Medicine highly recommend doing no heavy exercise for up to three days after long haul flights - Suarez looking at his schedule won't get back to this country until Thursday evening/Friday morning. If you also include what SCS suggests that has full recovery etc around Sunday possibly Monday