Want to lose weight ? Juice diet works !

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Postby tonyeh » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:58 pm

woof woof ! » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:25 am wrote:Cheers Tone, sensible suggestions.

I'm not living purely on juice, although for the first two weeks it did represent 90% of my diet.


Ah right...I didn't see that part.   :blush:

I'm now eating one "normal" meal for lunch albeit much smaller portions than I would have had previously plus the content is much healthier, eg a little grilled fish and salad as opposed to a burger and chips, brown bread instead of white etc etc.

The introduction of one "normal" meal has radically reduced the rate of weight loss, I dropped 9lbs (4kgs) in week one, around half that in week two but only 1.5lbs (0.4kgs) this week (week three) .

My plan was to lose around 20lbs (approx 10kgs) and after 20 days I'm down almost 15lbs (6.5kgs).

Maintaining a healthy balanced diet and keeping any weight lost from returning, as you and others have inferred, may well be the bigger challenge but I'm up for that.

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Yep, as any nutritionist will tell you, it's the variation in diet that will help with keeping your weight at a manageable level. In short, what you do is trick your body. Essentially eating (or not eating) the same ***** all the time makes the body store a lot more in its fat cells.

...and never miss breakfast. It kick starts the whole show and puts the body in "use" mode.

You lost a lot of weight at the beginning because your body was used to a certain intake and when that intake was gone, your body kind of went "oh *****!" and stated to call upon the energy it stored in your fat cells. It was inevitable that the weight loss would balance out though and its slowdown is not entirely attributable to the introduction of "normal" food.

Anyway, glad it's working out for you. I hope you keep it off, you seem to be enjoying it!   :buttrock
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Postby Homebooby » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:14 pm

Have held off on replying to this as I was on holiday when it went live and I was bUgg3red if I was typing up on an ipad :)

Woof, congrats on taking control. I myself did something similar at the beginning of the year and I haven't looked back. I hurt my back quite badly almost 10 yrs ago and have been going from issue to issue for the last 10 yrs. Having a long term injury like that breeds a sickness in the mind that becomes 'used to' not feeling good, attributing all ills to the injury and also a bizarre convincing to yourself that things are actually 'getting better'. I have struggled to find doctors/physios anyone who could help me well at the beginning which led me to lose faith and figure that I was my own best doctor and I had some success and some setbacks. The lack of trust and willingness to keep pushing for help was probably my downfall. I've bought a lot of exercise kit and was doing at least a couple of hours a day and slowly grinding myself into the ground until I really didn't care whether I woke up anymore or not (just turned 38 this year) and felt like I was about 90. The last few years have been tough with the death of my mother, work not being great as well etc and it all felt like it would never turn around.

So I started by going back to the doc in March 2012 and explaining exactly how I felt and got sent for back x-rays...nothing major going on. To a foot specialist as my ankle kept swelling up where I was told that I had a flat left foot (my weak side) and that was a lot of the issue, then he took me to a physio as well. The physio couldn't pinpoint anything major, but said my body was working so oddly, it was hard to isolate what was wrong. He honed in on one thing with my lower back, prescribed simple core exercises and that combined with insoles made a marked difference.

Come the beginning of this year, I still wasn't feeling good, no energy, headaches from 4pm each day, totally flat and wiped out when I got home from work etc etc etc and was still attributing that to my back, then I read an article about the Harcombe Diet which struck a chord with me. There's a book called 'Why Do We Overeat When All We Want To Be Is Thin' that it described and it is largely about food addictions and the havoc that it plays on your body. It struck a chord with me and I bought the book, plus the Harcombe for men book (all you need) and got started on it. I had some heavy withdrawals on the first couple of days, v. thirsty etc and after 5 days (the time it takes apparantly for your body to clear anything it takes on) I was feeling a lot better. Six months on I haven't looked back, a lot of the aches and pains are gone and it has surprised me that my back wasn't the cause for an awful lot of my complaints.

I dropped almost 2 stone in 2 months and then started to plateau, but the key thing is the way the book explains how food interacts with your body chemistry and how to manage that in easy ways for the rest of your life. Some of it has been touched on here, but in a way that is a little bit in line with the way everything health related is sold to us....if it's true, how come so many people have problems? Basically it explains that any carb causes immediate insulin generation and insulin goes to town on breaking the carb first. Anything it doesn't break in 24 hrs it stores. So if you eat steak and chips, the insulin will work on the chips and if you need no more energy than that provides, it will store the steak as fat. Generally all low fat diets are high in sugar and thus we are all walking with huge amounts of insulin in our systems, insulin goes up, we have a sugar crash, the body program informs us to eat in order to get up again and often that's sugary as well, so we end up in a vicious crash/high cycle throughout the day, which is why we're so exhausted at the end of the day and have headaches etc. On top of that we've not gotten the nutrients we need etc etc etc and we're storing a lot of fat.

Her solution is easy, you have 3 food types:

Did it have or come from a face - fat
Veg - Fat/Carb
Everything else - Carbs

She sees veggies as neutral as the fat content is so low and says you have to keep combinations of the 3, so Steak and Veg is ok, Steak and Chips is not. Veg and potatoes is fine. The idea being that with Steak and Veg, the body is deriving energy from the steak only. With veg and potatoes, you're eating a carb, but mixing it with nothing harmful and it will burn off by itself and not cause any major storage problems. I am paraphrasing a lot, but that's the gist. Once you have this rule in your mind not to put all 3 together, you're good to go. A colleague of mine tried it with me and gave up his diabetic medicine from the start and his blood sugar levels have been stable since. He lost about 1 1/2 stone too and kept it off.

Just after this, I watched Forks Over Knives on Netflix, then Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead with Joe and joe's story tied a lot into what I was experiencing. I started juicing as well alongside the diet and I have to say that a lot of my complaints that I was attributing to my back have cleared up and I am a juice enthusiast. I gave up quickly on the fast juicers that they're selling on Amazon etc as they damage the juice too much and you don't get much out of your produce. I invested in a slow juicer from Hurom, which is well pricey, but as it's part of the lifestyle change I have made, I am ok with that. I noticed through this change that my rubbish (trash) output has at least 1/2'd if not more through the process and I spend less in general than I was before. It was weird starting off as you feel like you miss things like bread and coffee a lot, I can only tell you that 6 months down the line I hardly give it a 2nd thought. The other nice thing is that I now feel that if I do go a little bit wayward with the eating, I can pull it back together quite quickly and easily. for the first time in a long long time, I don't feel like food is controlling me and that is a great feeling.

So people summarising on here saying you lose weight cos you have temp changed your intake, I 1/2 agree with it. What I think you have done is changed your body chemistry and the secret to maintaining that is understanding how to keep your chemistry on an even keel from now on. The reason you feel better is 2fold in my opinion, the first being that you have removed a bunch of stuff you were probably addicted to that was not good for your body and causing you to overeat stuff that you don't need. By removing the drug, the body starts to feel well. The juicing thing cannot be underrated as it is by those who talk about removing the fibre and only leaving the sugar etc. This is in essence true, but all dietary advice assumes that people like to and do eat a lot of fruit and veg, where the reality is we mostly all live with significant deficits only a daily basis which causes us to degenerate over time. By drinking the juice, I would wager you are taking on way more nutrients than you would in any other way and for that reason you are feeling as good as you are. My recommendation would be to keep it up, but don't use it as your sole intake. Try and look at the Harcombe book, stick with it for 3 months and keep the juice going at one point during the day each day. I am pretty sure after 3 months you won't recognise yourself or be that worried about things that you no longer eat.
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Postby woof woof ! » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:21 am

Only just seen the above. Cheers Homebooby, encouraging stuff, I'll check out that Harcombe article.

I'm now at the end of week four and having started to re-introduce more solids into my diet in week three (as with you at one point) the weight loss has levelled off, this week I've only dropped 1lb (just under half a kilo), slightly disappointing but it's still at least in the negative. Biggest challenge now that I'm consuming more solids is proving to be the desire to eat even more, not because I'm hungry but because it all tastes so bloody good !  :D Think I'll make this weekend a juice only menu just to get me back on track as my target was to lose 20lbs (approx 10 kgs) and I've still got another 4.5lbs (2kgs) to go.

Apart from the psychological effect, generally feeling "better" and fitter etc in physical terms my waist line has decreased by fully 2 inches (5cm), a bit of a pisser as I bought a new pair of jeans just a week before I went on the diet and now they're too effin big for me  :(

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Postby Benny The Noon » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:48 am

:laugh:

It's great that you're feeling better about yourself - I think that's a better judge of a diet as opposed to the actually weight loss itself.

I'm one of those lucky buggers that never seems to put weight on - been the same weight for about 15 years now ( give or take a few pounds ) , think it was mainly down to the amount of exercise I got whilst in the forces. Now I'm out and doing a "normal desk job" I'm hoping it doesn't start to pile on - have increased the gym visits to compensate for the loss of regular circuit training. But this juice diet sounds pretty good - just worried about the energy you get, but it sounds like you don't have any problems.
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Postby kazza » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:19 pm

woof woof ! » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:21 am wrote:Only just seen the above. Cheers Homebooby, encouraging stuff, I'll check out that Harcombe article.

I'm now at the end of week four and having started to re-introduce more solids into my diet in week three (as with you at one point) the weight loss has levelled off, this week I've only dropped 1lb (just under half a kilo), slightly disappointing but it's still at least in the negative. Biggest challenge now that I'm consuming more solids is proving to be the desire to eat even more, not because I'm hungry but because it all tastes so bloody good !  :D Think I'll make this weekend a juice only menu just to get me back on track as my target was to lose 20lbs (approx 10 kgs) and I've still got another 4.5lbs (2kgs) to go.

Apart from the psychological effect, generally feeling "better" and fitter etc in physical terms my waist line has decreased by fully 2 inches (5cm), a bit of a pisser as I bought a new pair of jeans just a week before I went on the diet and now they're too effin big for me  :(

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Postby damjan193 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:21 pm

The only advice I can give here is this; keep yourself and your muscles active. I'm not saying you need to start intense bodybuilding, but hiking, a bit of jogging and a few push-ups every now and then (if you're up to it) would be enough. Do a 10-min stretching in the morning if nothing else. But once you tell your body that you no longer need your muscles, it will all go downhill from there. These juice diets are OK I guess, but for a healthy live-style, it's far more important to keep yourself active.

If you're more concerned about your meals, try to keep a balanced diet once you're satisfied with your weight (no point in stopping with your diet now I guess, since you're so close). Keep in mind though, that balanced diet should consist of at least 50% fruits and vegetables. Just having a healthy diet won't be enough though. You really need to keep yourself active.
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Postby peterc1992 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:38 am

Fair play but as the poster above said get exercising.

I have lost 2 stone since Christmas from not really eating healthy but eating less *****, slashing the calories a small bit and exercising a lot. I basically stopped drinking coke and other calorie drinks. I ran 4-5 times a week. I ate whatever my mother cooked for me for dinner so I didnt worry about that although I tried not to eat 4-5 hours before bed and I drank lots of water. I ended up taking in about 1500 calories a day and getting  500 calorie run in most days. I let myself drink on a Friday and Saturday(sometimes both) but I made sure I didn't snack on Sh*t during the hangover and had my dinner and normal food.

I lost about 2-3 pounds a week on that. It worked but it wasn't that healthy as I went periods of being hungry and I would say I missed a lot of nutrients from eating bad dinners and then making sure I didnt eat much more.

Since then I am a lot lighter although I know I have lost a bit of muscle mass and despite my arms not being huge before hand I feel a lot smaller and there is still fat where I thought I would have muscle or be skinnier. This is due to me not doing much weights and more calorie cutting than burning. I am happy I lost the weight but I need to get back into the gym soon because even though I feel comfortably with my top off now I still feel that I am not as stronger(playing football) and as physical as I was before I lost the weight or as much as I want to be.

I felt a lot better when I was in the gym as I was doing weight( burning calories), running( burning calories) and eating well(because I was doing more and hungrier).

I didnt lose as much weight but my body looked a lot better. I have better muscle tone and still lost 1-2 pounds a week for a few weeks. My membership went but il be looking to get back into it asap if I can get back into working.Even thought I didnt lose as much weight in the gym I know that the weight that I wasnt losing was turning to muscle and I looked and felt a lot better.

How have you been since you started that diet, Muscle wise?
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