Liverpool FC Forum

Red Focus » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:34 am wrote:Thank You 'Benny The Noon' for backing me. You're right, I have been a die hard Liverpool fan for the last 37 years and I hope to see Liverpool crowned champions again before I go. The club like any corporate company or family have their own internal problems. I don't see anything wrong with highlighting out the problems if they are really there and right now I see a lot of things with the ownership that I disagree with and do not like. And highlighting them out does not mean I am a rival fan.

Now back to Suarez, though I don't want him to leave despite his attitude problems but I still stand by my stance that I don't blame him for wanting to go. Imagine you were him, South American, born to a poor family in Salto, Uruguay, not a Liverpool fan, gifted with world class football talent, you would want to play for a club that can pay you millions and win trophies almost year in year out and play in the CL every season. The club that he's at now doesn't look like will be offering him this kind of glories for this time, maybe in 5 years when the kids have matured and by then he may be too old. So, I cannot find a good reason on why he should not go to RM if they come knocking. Yes, he would be the Greatest Hypocrite of All Time if he goes to a rival PL club and don't know how he will look at the face of every Liverpool fan if he does.

Fans should look at what's wrong with the ownership instead of falsely believing just because we're Liverpool, everything will go smoothly. My greatest fear is that FSG ambition does not match with us fans and that is to win the PL title frequently. I fear that their ambition is only to make money and that's it and don't care about bringing back the glories. Nothing wrong with wanting to make money but they must know that what LIverpool stands for and that is to be PL champions again and again... For the younger fans, did you know that at one time during the 70s and 80s, for Liverpool to finish 2nd was an absolute disaster? Today, we're only talking about finishing 4th. That show how much we have fallen from grace.

We have changed as a club - but not for the better, we failed to grab the money when it was on offer, we failed to take advantage our success in the 80's and as the 90's arrived we thoought we could just move along without adjusting or changing the way we operate - Souness arrived and just ripped the club apart - we stood still commercially and we were too arrogant to do anything with our stadium - all the time the Mancs took advantage of everything and just grabbed every opportunity and overtook us in the end - now they are massive both commercially and on the field. They were untouchable until money arrived in the prem - big money with Chelsea and then City - we again made another massive mistake by selling to G&H and watched as they ripped the club apart on and off the field - fans watched as the best players in the world left and our best manager in 20 years got kicked out ( with the blessing of fans ) and since then we have just nosedived.

The owners have admitted they know nothing of the game and put their initial trust in Comolli and Kenny but kicked them out after 18 months and they then appointed an unproven manager - we are now currently a mid table team - we are buying players that say that we are a mid table club and that is what players like Suarez see - they arent going to hang around for "long term" project , when we dont move forward quickly enough players like Coutinho , Agger etc will be next to leave.

12 months ago the owners had a choice - get in someone proven , someone who could attract players and who was connected and expeirenced around Europe - they decided to get for BR for the "long term" - that should blinkeredness towards the current situation - we are miles away from the top 4 clubs and then another decent amount amount from the 5th best club - currently those clubs are looking to sign or have signed quality players to improve them even further - whilst we pick unknown unproven "prospects" and watch as our one true quality player is lookig to leave - Suarez is leaving ( or trying too ) because of where we are as a club right now and that blame lies with the club.

The owners have admitted they know nothing of the game and put their initial trust in Comolli and Kenny but kicked them out after 18 months and they then appointed an unproven manager - we are now currently a mid table team

Truly myopic.

Now that BR is here, we're a mid-table club.

I didn't know BR has been here since 2009.

Red Focus, I think we can all understand suarez's aspiration for glory and CL football.

But I also think it's not too much to ask for a club like LFC to get a modicum of respect from players. Especially suarez.

I honestly don't think anyone is having a go at you for suggesting he should go, rather that you think he deserves to go.

I think he needs to give us another season or at least hand in his transfer request.

His behaviour is decisive. Suarez staying and us doing well next season could make him a club legend, and being a club legend for LFC opens a lot of opportunities for a player. Should he have the foresight.

spot on babu, if he wants CL with Liverpool he's got to put a shift in and make it happen, along with Gerrard, Aspas and the rest of the team. If he wants CL and he's not bother where he gets it then  transfer request and jump ship to RM. It's his decision.

babu » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:18 pm wrote:Red Focus, I think we can all understand suarez's aspiration for glory and CL football.

But I also think it's not too much to ask for a club like LFC to get a modicum of respect from players. Especially suarez.

I honestly don't think anyone is having a go at you for suggesting he should go, rather that you think he deserves to go.

I think he needs to give us another season or at least hand in his transfer request.

His behaviour is decisive. Suarez staying and us doing well next season could make him a club legend, and being a club legend for LFC opens a lot of opportunities for a player. Should he have the foresight.

The problem is that players dont think like fans - they dont want to base their career on hope and the future - they look at right now and what is on offer for them. For Suarez we cant offer him what he desires and i can see that - as soon as we didnt get CL this season we all knew this could happen - its the risk the club took last summer.Suarez wants to be playing CL now - he doesnt want to wait 4 seasons whilst a long term plan comes together.

The only slight chance of him changing his mind is if the owners right now funded a couple of real top quality purchases - ones that he would believe would take us into the top 4 next season.

Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:50 am wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:26 am wrote:

7_Kewell » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:50 pm wrote:50 million or f**k off, simple.

I don't agree. Sure Suarez is a great player but we looked pretty good at the end of last season at Newcastle and the other games when he was banned. Ok there will be tougher games than that this season but I feel with the players who have come in and with hopefully a couple more to follow we can compete.

I'm not entirely sure anyway that we need Suarez and Coutinho in the same side. The latter is pretty effective in the hole position. I can't see why he can't there play permanently behind a revolving front three of of Sturridge, Aspas, Downing, Sterling, Borini and maybe Alberto.

The main point on Suarez is though that while I would be disappointed if he went to Arsenal or City I wouldn't be devastated no more disappointed than when Torres went to Chelsea. He didn't ever hurt us in games against them after that. We would soon recover buy other players and move on.

I feel that we need to do that now the Suarez situation needs sorting. If he's not going to commit for the long term we should negotiate a way out of this situation for our benefit. We need players who are one hundred per cent committed to the club for the long term. Keeping an unhappy player is not great as I see it. If we only get £30 million for him I wouldn't be too bothered.

When you look at the players listed for that front three without Suarez it lacks that standout quality - when Suarez goes then we would really need to replace him for the highest quality we can get - offer big wages or whatever it takes.

Suarez was the extra special player that every team looks for - he would really need to be properly replaced. When we do get £40mil - it needs to be spent very well on one possibly two quality proven players

Are you saying that you would be happy to keep an unhappy player for the sake of £5 million or £10 million rather than negotiate with a buying club so that we can the funds in to strengthen the team? As for replacements I've already stated about the players we have. Coutinho is equally if not more effective in the role behind the main striker because he's less selfish and more creative.

We've bought Aspas and Alberto this summer. If Asapas gets into double figures in the premiership, Borini may chip in with a few more and Sturridge gets at least 20 in the premiership I'm not sure that we need another striker. We have Ibe and Sterling coming through. If Downing stays he could continue to improve and chip in with a few more. I could see someone like Eriksen coming in to give us more depth and goals from midfield and possibly at least one defender.

I'm not sure what players you have in mind in terms of replacements of Suarez's quality, who would join us at the moment.  Unlike when Torres left I see the money spent from a Suarez sale as on improving the group as the manager has stated rather than on the quality of another Suarez.

friendlyguy33 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:50 am wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:26 am wrote:
I don't agree. Sure Suarez is a great player but we looked pretty good at the end of last season at Newcastle and the other games when he was banned. Ok there will be tougher games than that this season but I feel with the players who have come in and with hopefully a couple more to follow we can compete.

I'm not entirely sure anyway that we need Suarez and Coutinho in the same side. The latter is pretty effective in the hole position. I can't see why he can't there play permanently behind a revolving front three of of Sturridge, Aspas, Downing, Sterling, Borini and maybe Alberto.

The main point on Suarez is though that while I would be disappointed if he went to Arsenal or City I wouldn't be devastated no more disappointed than when Torres went to Chelsea. He didn't ever hurt us in games against them after that. We would soon recover buy other players and move on.

I feel that we need to do that now the Suarez situation needs sorting. If he's not going to commit for the long term we should negotiate a way out of this situation for our benefit. We need players who are one hundred per cent committed to the club for the long term. Keeping an unhappy player is not great as I see it. If we only get £30 million for him I wouldn't be too bothered.

When you look at the players listed for that front three without Suarez it lacks that standout quality - when Suarez goes then we would really need to replace him for the highest quality we can get - offer big wages or whatever it takes.

Suarez was the extra special player that every team looks for - he would really need to be properly replaced. When we do get £40mil - it needs to be spent very well on one possibly two quality proven players

Are you saying that you would be happy to keep an unhappy player for the sake of £5 million or £10 million rather than negotiate with a buying club so that we can the funds in to strengthen the team? As for replacements I've already stated about the players we have. Coutinho is equally if not more effective in the role behind the main striker because he's less selfish and more creative.

We've bought Aspas and Alberto this summer. If Asapas gets into double figures in the premiership, Borini may chip in with a few more and Sturridge gets at least 20 in the premiership I'm not sure that we need another striker. We have Ibe and Sterling coming through. If Downing stays he could continue to improve and chip in with a few more. I could see someone like Eriksen coming in to give us more depth and goals from midfield and possibly at least one defender.

I'm not sure what players you have in mind in terms of replacements of Suarez's quality, who would join us at the moment.  Unlike when Torres left I see the money spent from a Suarez sale as on improving the group as the manager has stated rather than on the quality of another Suarez.

Coutinho is a quality player no doubt - but he has a long way to go yet - great start but he isnt a striker

Sturridge suffers from injuires on a regular basis ( injured for the start of the season i think ) and also plays in bursts

And when it comes to Aspas , Borini and Alberto - its all ifs and buts and it certainly wouldnt want to go into the season with them as our front line. I m confident in saying that they wont get us anywhere near top 4. If Suarez does go then i believe we would definitely need a striker to be brought in. Each September over the last 3-4 years has reduced in quality and thats reflected in our seasons. We really do need to strengthen with some real quality - even if it means paying over the odds in terms of wages.

Benny do you really believe we're a mid-table club since BR took over?

I have given up arguing with certain forum members because they share a totally opposing view to my own and we are never going to agree so it really does become somewhat futile.They are entitled to their opinion but rest assured if you give them half a chance they will make this forum a very unpleasant place with all their depressing negativity. BELIEVE ME IGNORING THESE INDIVIDUAL'S IS THE WAY FORWARD FOR THIS FORUM and that advice was given to me by one of our respected long term members and guess what it works.

As for Suarez I will wait and see what happens. Speculation and accusation is pointless.

arsenal are completely wasting their time. £35m is a joke.

Another £5mil and they will get him - it shows they are serious about spending money.

Think we're lowballing ourselves on Suarez.  When Torres was here he was worth 70M at one point.  That went down to 50M after he sulked for awhile and handed in transfer request etc. 

Suarez is easily worth 50M.  Would be disappointed if we sold for anything less than 45M.

@tancredipalmeri: Liverpool should receive an offer from Real Madrid in the next days, for a swap Higuain+small cash for Suarez

jacdaniel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:45 pm wrote:Think we're lowballing ourselves on Suarez.  When Torres was here he was worth 70M at one point.  That went down to 50M after he sulked for awhile and handed in transfer request etc. 

Suarez is easily worth 50M.  Would be disappointed if we sold for anything less than 45M.

Ability wise Suarez is worth £50mil easily but that price takes a knock when you add the baggage on

Is he going on the tour ??

Could be a last slap in the face if he won't visit his fans on the other side of the planet.

Bah.. who needs Suarez when we got Aspas