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[LFC1990]

Benny I have never witnessed you say a good thing about this club so you can stay out of this one.

Red focus. Focus ( pun intended) on the 3 points I made

1) You dont blame Suarez for wanting to leave. Maybe he should show us some loyalty like we as fans and a club has showed himt throughout his whole Liverpool career despite dragging us through the mud

2) Less than a year ago he signed a new contract. He new what manager we had and what process we was going through. Owners unwilling to invest. Since Suarez joined he has seen Carroll signed for 35, Downing close to 20 and the same with Hendo, Add to that Adam who cost around 9 million Jose enrique Suarez' pal Coates Along with Borini, Joe Allen, Assaidi then you have Sturridge and Coutinho, Yes maybe some arent at the best Calibre but the owners have invested.

3) Okay similar to point 1 and 2. He signed a new contract, We were playing great football and signed to fantastic players in January in Sturridge and Coutinho, He should give us another season to see how we do with Coutinho and Sturridge in a full season and not LIE through his massive teeth.

[damjan193]

I don't think that anyone can blame Suarez for wanting to leave. What's not right is the pathetic and disrespectful way he's trying to force his way out, and lowering his price as a result, which will damage us greatly.
I never really minded the fact that we're probably going to sell him, especially not now since he's shown what an ungrateful kunt he is, but what I would mind is if he went for a low transfer fee, which would make it hard for us to find a suitable replacement(s) for him.
Anyway, If he's so sure that he's good enough to go to a "better club" then why is he trying to lower the fee we're asking for him? If he's that good, then clubs wouldn't mind paying whatever we're asking, right?

[Benny The Noon]

I was actually not responding to you

But you can do one thing - stop accusing other posters of being opposition fans - it is the lowest act on a forum. I have been a Liverpool supporter for over 30 years now ( I expect longer than you have been alive ) - I have no doubt Red Focus is also a Liverpool fan. So just quit the immature answer of accusing others of not being Liverpool fans - it's low and pathetic.

As for Suarez - you can say that he should give us this and that but we aren't giving him the platform he wants to play on ( or most top footballers ) . Contracts are signed not out of loyalty - it's to get more money and ensure the club gets better/bigger transfer fees. Suarez has been at the club 2 and 1/2 seasons now and in that time we haven't moved forward enough - he sees all the top players and his international team mates playing at the top clubs in the top comps and we expect him to stay ? He has ambition ( more than our club shows ) he sees the top teams buying top players to strengthen their position or in fact improve it and he wants to be part of those teams - I don't blame him one bit. I don't like the way he is going about it but I can fully understand why he wants to go. And that blame can be laid on the club.

[lakes10]

so it seem that Arsenal are going to place another bid for him, I think they will put in at 38mil.
Real will put their bid in at 40mil.

he is gone what ever way you look at it, but if he ended up at Arsenal  how could he look a Liverpool player or fan in the face ever again.
he said he wish to go due to the British media and not due to the club.

[friendlyguy33]

50 million or f**k off, simple.

I don't agree. Sure Suarez is a great player but we looked pretty good at the end of last season at Newcastle and the other games when he was banned. Ok there will be tougher games than that this season but I feel with the players who have come in and with hopefully a couple more to follow we can compete.

I'm not entirely sure anyway that we need Suarez and Coutinho in the same side. The latter is pretty effective in the hole position. I can't see why he can't there play permanently behind a revolving front three of of Sturridge, Aspas, Downing, Sterling, Borini and maybe Alberto.

The main point on Suarez is though that while I would be disappointed if he went to Arsenal or City I wouldn't be devastated no more disappointed than when Torres went to Chelsea. He didn't ever hurt us in games against them after that. We would soon recover buy other players and move on.

I feel that we need to do that now the Suarez situation needs sorting. If he's not going to commit for the long term we should negotiate a way out of this situation for our benefit. We need players who are one hundred per cent committed to the club for the long term. Keeping an unhappy player is not great as I see it. If we only get £30 million for him I wouldn't be too bothered.

[LFC1990]

But you can do one thing - stop accusing other posters of being opposition fans - it is the lowest act on a forum. I have been a Liverpool supporter for over 30 years now ( I expect longer than you have been alive ) - I have no doubt Red Focus is also a Liverpool fan. So just quit the immature answer of accusing others of not being Liverpool fans - it's low and pathetic.

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I wasnt calling Red Focus an opposition fan. I was saying who needs opposition fans when our own fans beat us down

[Benny The Noon]

It's not just Red Focus though is it - you have done it to numerous posters - so just stop. Stop judging people's support whilst you act like you are super fan or something.

[LFC1990]

Apart from you please tell me who else i have done it to?

You are the only person i consider to be an opposition supporter because as i have said you never have a good word to say about our club and constantly praise another *cough City cough*

[Benny The Noon]

Apart from you please tell me who else i have done it to?

You are the only person i consider to be an opposition supporter because as i have said you never have a good word to say about our club and constantly praise another *cough City cough*

Thank you for proving my point.

[Kenny Kan]

I suppose waxing lyrical constantly over clubs like Madrid, and Citeh with their money or Pellegrini as their manager while slating Rodgers and this club is what being a Liverpool fan is all about these days. 

[Benny The Noon]

50 million or f**k off, simple.

I don't agree. Sure Suarez is a great player but we looked pretty good at the end of last season at Newcastle and the other games when he was banned. Ok there will be tougher games than that this season but I feel with the players who have come in and with hopefully a couple more to follow we can compete.

I'm not entirely sure anyway that we need Suarez and Coutinho in the same side. The latter is pretty effective in the hole position. I can't see why he can't there play permanently behind a revolving front three of of Sturridge, Aspas, Downing, Sterling, Borini and maybe Alberto.

The main point on Suarez is though that while I would be disappointed if he went to Arsenal or City I wouldn't be devastated no more disappointed than when Torres went to Chelsea. He didn't ever hurt us in games against them after that. We would soon recover buy other players and move on.

I feel that we need to do that now the Suarez situation needs sorting. If he's not going to commit for the long term we should negotiate a way out of this situation for our benefit. We need players who are one hundred per cent committed to the club for the long term. Keeping an unhappy player is not great as I see it. If we only get £30 million for him I wouldn't be too bothered.

When you look at the players listed for that front three without Suarez it lacks that standout quality - when Suarez goes then we would really need to replace him for the highest quality we can get - offer big wages or whatever it takes.

Suarez was the extra special player that every team looks for - he would really need to be properly replaced. When we do get £40mil - it needs to be spent very well on one possibly two quality proven players

[jacdaniel]

If I had to pick a club to sell him to Id pick City.  They won't try to lowball us.  If they want him they will pay the price. 
We won't be strengthening one of our close rivals (Arsenal)
Suarez will get his CL football.
It might help City win the league and not the bloody mancs or chelsea!

[Red Focus]

Thank You 'Benny The Noon' for backing me. You're right, I have been a die hard Liverpool fan for the last 37 years and I hope to see Liverpool crowned champions again before I go. The club like any corporate company or family have their own internal problems. I don't see anything wrong with highlighting out the problems if they are really there and right now I see a lot of things with the ownership that I disagree with and do not like. And highlighting them out does not mean I am a rival fan.

Now back to Suarez, though I don't want him to leave despite his attitude problems but I still stand by my stance that I don't blame him for wanting to go. Imagine you were him, South American, born to a poor family in Salto, Uruguay, not a Liverpool fan, gifted with world class football talent, you would want to play for a club that can pay you millions and win trophies almost year in year out and play in the CL every season. The club that he's at now doesn't look like will be offering him this kind of glories for this time, maybe in 5 years when the kids have matured and by then he may be too old. So, I cannot find a good reason on why he should not go to RM if they come knocking. Yes, he would be the Greatest Hypocrite of All Time if he goes to a rival PL club and don't know how he will look at the face of every Liverpool fan if he does.

Fans should look at what's wrong with the ownership instead of falsely believing just because we're Liverpool, everything will go smoothly. My greatest fear is that FSG ambition does not match with us fans and that is to win the PL title frequently. I fear that their ambition is only to make money and that's it and don't care about bringing back the glories. Nothing wrong with wanting to make money but they must know that what LIverpool stands for and that is to be PL champions again and again... For the younger fans, did you know that at one time during the 70s and 80s, for Liverpool to finish 2nd was an absolute disaster? Today, we're only talking about finishing 4th. That show how much we have fallen from grace.

[redno7]

I think your memories of the 70's and 80's are a touch off, usually during these times if Liverpool finished 2nd in the league they usually had a FA Cup, league cup or a European cup to boast about. sometimes more than just the one! hardly a 'disaster' season was it? we we're always winning something and we we're not always playing sexy football either. Sometimes we got proper mucky and had to fight for results.

It's now 2013 and what have we to show for our efforts in the last 10 years?

1x European cup, 2x FA cups, 2x league cups and a super cup

so the 'younger' fans have had something to cheer about.

[Kenny Kan]

I hope to see Liverpool crowned champions again before I go. The club like any corporate company or family have their own internal problems. I don't see anything wrong with highlighting out the problems if they are really there and right now I see a lot of things with the ownership that I disagree with and do not like. And highlighting them out does not mean I am a rival fan.

Now back to Suarez, though I don't want him to leave despite his attitude problems but I still stand by my stance that I don't blame him for wanting to go. Imagine you were him, South American, born to a poor family in Salto, Uruguay, not a Liverpool fan, gifted with world class football talent, you would want to play for a club that can pay you millions and win trophies almost year in year out and play in the CL every season. The club that he's at now doesn't look like will be offering him this kind of glories for this time, maybe in 5 years when the kids have matured and by then he may be too old. So, I cannot find a good reason on why he should not go to RM if they come knocking. Yes, he would be the Greatest Hypocrite of All Time if he goes to a rival PL club and don't know how he will look at the face of every Liverpool fan if he does.

Fans should look at what's wrong with the ownership instead of falsely believing just because we're Liverpool, everything will go smoothly. My greatest fear is that FSG ambition does not match with us fans and that is to win the PL title frequently. I fear that their ambition is only to make money and that's it and don't care about bringing back the glories. Nothing wrong with wanting to make money but they must know that what LIverpool stands for and that is to be PL champions again and again... For the younger fans, did you know that at one time during the 70s and 80s, for Liverpool to finish 2nd was an absolute disaster? Today, we're only talking about finishing 4th. That show how much we have fallen from grace. 

Good post Red Focus. I certainly wouldn't tar you or your posts with Benny the Noon though.

Unfortunately, our history has little baring on today's game, the reality now is, we're pretty much a mid-table club and our current manager has been given the arduous task of trying to break back into the top 4 - never mind 2nd or 1st! The fall from grace has to be taken with a dose of reality (IMO) rather than with a dose of nostalgia.

Until a new stadium is built or extensions to Anfield have been undertaken I don't realistically see Liverpool becoming a prospect for new owners to come in and bolster the team with millions. FSG aren't on that tier of owners and the hand we've been dealt with is a sobering one, and a grateful one I must add considering  our cowboys beforehand. But even with all this I'll refrain from being the daily & constant fan bois of Madrid, Chelsea and Citeh on these boards simply because I only care about and have dignity for LFC.