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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

You're clueless eds.

These are 2 separate issues.  Obviously fans arent happy about mid table finishes. But Suarez has only had two and a half years of it compared to fans who've supported the team through countless rebuilding exercises and still not seen us win the league.

If Suarez can't knuckle down for another season or two to help us get back there, despite the backing we've given him then he's a disgrace.

It's the johnny come lately premier league era 'fans' who would sooner back a mercenary like Suarez than the club they claim to support.

it`s not just suarez though mate, it`s most top players, torres left because he didnt think we`d be challenging for the top prizes in the game and suarez is doing the same thing (he`s just going an odd way about it).
if we finish 6th or 7th next season dont think that coutinho wont be seriously considering his future too.
on talksport on friday they were discussing arsenals suarez bid and they said we are a truly great a club with a history that shakespeare would struggle to write but the perception within the game is that liverpool are not serious contenders for any of the top prizes anymore and as a club we are not showing any sort of willingness to challenge that perception.
they said there is a feeling within the game that liverpool wont get back to the top again.
unless we do something quick it`s going to get tougher and tougher to A) sign top players and B) keep hold of our best players.

[LFC2007]

He's behaved like a c*nt throughout the summer, IMO, touting himself about in press conferences and on TV and radio shows with expressions of admiration for Real Madrid et al, first claiming that he was motivated by a desire to escape the media/FA and then revealing the real reason by admitting he wants to play CL football. Any lesser player would have taken dog's abuse for conducting themselves in such a manner but Suarez was given special treatment because of how good/important he is and all the sympathy that flowed his way following the many notable controversies involving him.

I think it demonstrates once again why we shouldn't get too attached to individual players, no matter how good they are, because invariably they are prepared to do anything to get their way. And this is a player who took his former club -- the club that gave him his chance in Europe -- to court in order to force through a move. He's a great player but he was never any saint. The important thing for us now is to focus on getting the best deal we can, whether that involves a p/x or straight cash, and to plan for his absence by doing our business before it gets too late. We have to learn from previous windows in this regard. I think it even makes sense to accept a slightly lower fee just to get a quicker deal to allow us to do our business and get better deals before the end of the window brings a hike in values.

[maguskwt]

He's behaved like a c*nt throughout the summer, IMO, touting himself about in press conferences and on TV and radio shows with expressions of admiration for Real Madrid et al, first claiming that he was motivated by a desire to escape the media/FA and then revealing the real reason by admitting he wants to play CL football. Any lesser player would have taken dog's abuse for conducting themselves in such a manner but Suarez was given special treatment because of how good/important he is and all the sympathy that flowed his way following the many notable controversies involving him.

I think it demonstrates once again why we shouldn't get too attached to individual players, no matter how good they are, because invariably they are prepared to do anything to get their way. And this is a player who took his former club -- the club that gave him his chance in Europe -- to court in order to force through a move. He's a great player but he was never any saint. The important thing for us now is to focus on getting the best deal we can, whether that involves a p/x or straight cash, and to plan for his absence by doing our business before it gets too late. We have to learn from previous windows in this regard. I think it even makes sense to accept a slightly lower fee just to get a quicker deal to allow us to do our business and get better deals before the end of the window brings a hike in values.

To get a good deal for him is not so straight forward though... If there is an indication that we will sell him the other clubs will low ball us. So the club has to act like they have no intention to sell him...

[stmichael]

i don't see madrid bidding for him now. they've already spent £80m this summer. no wonder the spanish economy went tits up.

[devaney]

They also allowed Kenny and Comolli to spend nearly £150m. They could easily have spent considerably less if they really are that greedy.

Kenny and Comolli never spent 150m, that's absolute nonsense. Net spend was closer to 40m in the time they were here. A distorted figure, so it' really hard to understand how you "can spend any lower" than that anyway!

Also, I think overall the net spend figure in the last 3 seasons under FSG is around 60-70m which is how "real investment" can be measured.

20-23m per season is actually quiet average. Nothing to boast about really, considering we haven't even come close to a 4th place finish in that time.

So far I believe they have spent 2-3m net spend on these 4 new players, so once again show us the money FSG!

Sorry Kenny and Comolli spent nearer £115m gross - my mistake. The point is that if FSG really were that greedy they could have spent considerably less to increase their bottom line. Kenny had a net spend of £30m and BR so far has a net spend of £38m. Those figures don't seem unreasonable.

Anybody that thinks that all of FSG's expenditure has been self funding should take a look at the accounts.

[Kenny Kan]

You're clueless eds.

These are 2 separate issues.  Obviously fans arent happy about mid table finishes. But Suarez has only had two and a half years of it compared to fans who've supported the team through countless rebuilding exercises and still not seen us win the league.

If Suarez can't knuckle down for another season or two to help us get back there, despite the backing we've given him then he's a disgrace.

It's the johnny come lately premier league era 'fans' who would sooner back a mercenary like Suarez than the club they claim to support.

it`s not just suarez though mate, it`s most top players, torres left because he didnt think we`d be challenging for the top prizes in the game and suarez is doing the same thing (he`s just going an odd way about it).
if we finish 6th or 7th next season dont think that coutinho wont be seriously considering his future too.
on talksport on friday they were discussing arsenals suarez bid and they said we are a truly great a club with a history that shakespeare would struggle to write but the perception within the game is that liverpool are not serious contenders for any of the top prizes anymore and as a club we are not showing any sort of willingness to challenge that perception.
they said there is a feeling within the game that liverpool wont get back to the top again.
unless we do something quick it`s going to get tougher and tougher to A) sign top players and B) keep hold of our best players.

That's quite depressing. But what's more worrying is that it has a hint of reality about it. 

[RUSHIE#9]

Not the best source but if true can anyone say they're surprised by this:

DAILY STAR

REAL MADRID IN £25M BID TO NAB LUIS SUAREZ

14th July 2013 By Paul Hetherington and Tony Stenson


REAL MADRID are trying to sign Luis Suarez on the “cheap” – at £25million!

That’s £15m below Liverpool’s valuation of their star striker.

Liverpool insist they want Suarez to stay but know how much they want for the Uruguayan if he leaves.

And that is creating a dilemma at Anfield, as Real are believed to be Suarez’s preferred destination.

The Spanish giants are also aware of that but have indicated they won’t spend more than £25m on Suarez, 26.

It means Liverpool are reluctantly having to consider interest from Premier League clubs, particularly Arsenal, who have already offered £30m.

But the Reds are hoping to Kop closer to £40m if they lose the fight to keep the ­controversial Suarez.

Arsenal are also in the market for Real’s Gonzalo Higuain, Manchester United’s Wayne Rooney and Everton’s Marouane Fellaini.

They are now said to be willing to meet Fellaini’s buy-out figure of £22m but the deal is being held up by the Belgian’s personal terms.

It is claimed the attacking midfielder is seeking a pay-off from Everton on the remainder of his contract and also has to negotiate terms and a signing-on fee with the Gunners.

Ex-Liverpool striker Robbie Keane believes Suarez has already burned his bridges at Anfield.

He made it clear while on Confederations Cup duty with his country that he wanted to leave Anfield.

And Ireland hero Keane said: “Luis Suarez has been fantastic but he will probably leave the club.

“If you come out with the statements that he has been ­doing, then I think it’s going to be hard for him to stay.

“Whatever the reason is behind him wanting to leave, he’s at a massive club, so where would he go from there? I’m really not sure.

“The Champions League is important to a player but if you’re playing for a massive club like Liverpool, eventually they’re going to be back in the Champions League and they need players like Suarez to help them achieve that.”

The Madrista scum trying to take us for a ride again, if we did sell at that figure the board and BR would be lynched from the rafters of the Kop. For me it's well below any offer that we should be considering, £50 million is the minimum straight cash deal.

[7_Kewell]

50 million or f**k off, simple.

[Penguins]

We won't get 50 million for a number of reasons...

[ethanr]

I don't think there's any chance we will, as every club that's shown interest is trying to lowball the hell out of us because he wants out.  We just need to hold onto him.  I don't think he'd play poorly for being held onto, I think he'll sit there and wonder why clubs weren't willing to spend more for him, and hopefully that'll make him play better.

Love that quote by Robbie Keane.  "He's at a massive club, so where would he go from there? I'm really not sure."  Considering we got 6 months from this guy, showed him pretty much no respect and shipped him back to spurs he speaks quite highly of us.  I wasn't really happy when we sold him back anyway to be honest.  He wasn't that poor considering he was barely getting any playing time.

[crim cram]

Teams should meet the valuation the club have set or f*ck off, he can sit in the reserves if he doesn't like it.  He's given himself true c*nt status with what he's come out with, i'm sick of him.  the club is bigger than any player, i'd rather see him miss a season in the reserves than see him sold on the cheap.  We need backbone in transfer dealings, we've been whipping boys too long.

[Red Focus]

This fella definitely wants out and he will only stay if the interested clubs are not willing to pay at least 40M for him which is an unlikely scenario. So I am resigned to losing him. There is no point in trying to keep a player who wants to leave. What I fear is RM come in at the last minute and hope to get him on the cheap and LS threatening to go on strike or take legal action if we don't sell him. The club MUST stand firm on selling him to the highest bidder from 40M upwards, if they won't, then no deal, period. LS can sulk or go on strike, that's his own bl**dy problem.

Players like Carra and Stevie are hard to come by nowadays, because star players today in CL era are mercenaric and if the club they play for do not have CL football, they will want to leave. So I don't blame LS for wanting to leave, it's a short career and you don't want to be wasting your talent and  time on a club that is still rebuilding, with a young unproven manager and with owners unwilling to invest heavily. If I were him, I would want to leave too but in a more professional way not beating about the bush like what this fella is doing. So I would say it is the club's mismanagement by past owners that is causing today's problem of unable to keep our star names. If FSG are not going to back BR with the required funds, I expect Cou and Stu will be next blowing their trumpets of  'Come and Get Me' to the top 4 sides and the 2 giants in Spain in the not too distant future. This is the price we have to pay for buying mostly kids. In fact, LS once did say, we can win games with kids, but we won't win trophies. I agree with him. Liverpool at the moment is a club that is kidding (pun unintended).

[LFC1990]

. So I don't blame LS for wanting to leave,

.  it's a short career and you don't want to be wasting your talent and  time on a club that is still rebuilding, with a young unproven manager and with owners unwilling to invest heavily.

. If I were him, I would want to leave too

Who needs opposition fans

[Red Focus]

. So I don't blame LS for wanting to leave,

.  it's a short career and you don't want to be wasting your talent and  time on a club that is still rebuilding, with a young unproven manager and with owners unwilling to invest heavily.

. If I were him, I would want to leave too

Who needs opposition fans

OK, so as a die hard Kopite, I am not supposed to say anything bad or negative about the club even if it's true? And if I do, then I will be accused of being a manure, chelsea etc fan. Then let us all concentrate on saying Liverpool is now in a bed of roses and we are going to win the PL with 114 points next season winning all 38 games, win the FA and Carling One Cups, BR will be Manager of the Year and we will win the CL next season and Neymar and Messi will want to join us. You all better say things like this, otherwise, you're an opposition fan. Even if there are dire problems at the club, HUSH!!! Say only good things.

[Benny The Noon]

. So I don't blame LS for wanting to leave,

.  it's a short career and you don't want to be wasting your talent and  time on a club that is still rebuilding, with a young unproven manager and with owners unwilling to invest heavily.

. If I were him, I would want to leave too

Who needs opposition fans

OK, so as a die hard Kopite, I am not supposed to say anything bad or negative about the club even if it's true? And if I do, then I will be accused of being a manure, chelsea etc fan. Then let us all concentrate on saying Liverpool is now in a bed of roses and we are going to win the PL with 114 points next season winning all 38 games, win the FA and Carling One Cups, BR will be Manager of the Year and we will win the CL next season and Neymar and Messi will want to join us. You all better say things like this, otherwise, you're an opposition fan. Even if there are dire problems at the club, HUSH!!! Say only good things.

It's quite clear why Suarez wants to leave and you can't blame him

We all think we are the pinnacle club in football because we are Liverpool fans - but players don't see that - they see the current status of clubs and realise we are mid table - other clubs are more attractive than us , other clubs status within the game currently is higher than us. Madrid is seen as the premier club in world football by a great deal of players - that is the top of the tree within club football. Even during the 70,80's etc Madrid were still the pinnacle - it's reality. That's why Suarez wants to go there - to take the next step up.

And when you say these sort of things about other clubs you immediatly get accused of being an opposition fan.