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by **alwayslfc** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:10 am

All managers have a tendency to justify their expensive signings by playing them week in week out and Allen who cost 15M is one example. Assaidi who only cost 3M, Rodgers didn't have to justify that. Had Assaidi cost more than 15M, I'm sure he'll be in the teamsheet every week. A good manager must have the balls to admit he got his signings and tactics wrong and play his best team regardless who signed them in the first place and BR doesn't look like he's doing that.

This lad together with Sterling and Suso need to be given a rest and maybe they will all come good later in the season or next season.

by **devaney** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:43 am

john craig » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:39 am wrote:Allen is a good player, but he is a bit lightweight and needs to put in some gym time. His early performances were good but he's been overplayed and is still a young guy trying settle at a big club.

Criticism here is way over the top. I think he'll have a good second season but I wouldn't be playing him every game this season, especially not in away games where we have to be physically up to it.

I really hope you are right and that he is simply going through a bad spell.. Personally I don't think that people are being overly critical. Allen the majority of the time passes the ball five yards backwards or sideways and creates nothing. Doesn't score goals.Gives the ball away. A lot of the time he fails to break up play which is a key part of his job. Just what does he do?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:41 pm

Lucas Leiva
Patience/faith/time /total justification

Jordan Henderson
Belief/support/time/the reason for our investment is becoming a touch clearer with his last three games .

Joe Allen
A drastic dip in form since he wowed every fucker in the Kop with how adroit he was with the ball at his feet .
So because we have seen just how good this kid can be if he's on form ,its time we gave him all of the above and more .

YNWA

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:54 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:41 pm wrote:Lucas Leiva
Patience/faith/time /total justification

Jordan Henderson
Belief/support/time/the reason for our investment is becoming a touch clearer with his last three games .

Joe Allen
A drastic dip in form since he wowed every fucker in the Kop with how adroit he was with the ball at his feet .
So because we have seen just how good this kid can be if he's on form ,its time we gave him all of the above and more .

YNWA

Allen deserves time.

As you said he had a cracking start to the season, I personally believe that the step up in games has caused him fatigue and as such his form has dropped.

BR himself has said that by Xmas Allen had already matched his total season games for Swansea in the previous season.

Playing double the games from your previous season will affect any player.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:47 pm

SouthCoastShankly » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:54 pm wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:41 pm wrote:Lucas Leiva
Patience/faith/time /total justification

Jordan Henderson
Belief/support/time/the reason for our investment is becoming a touch clearer with his last three games .

Joe Allen
A drastic dip in form since he wowed every fucker in the Kop with how adroit he was with the ball at his feet .
So because we have seen just how good this kid can be if he's on form ,its time we gave him all of the above and more .

YNWA

Allen deserves time.

As you said he had a cracking start to the season, I personally believe that the step up in games has caused him fatigue and as such his form has dropped.

BR himself has said that by Xmas Allen had already matched his total season games for Swansea in the previous season.

Playing double the games from your previous season will affect any player.

I think he will eventually become a vital player for us in the near future ,but until Rodgers becomes less insistent on playing Gerrard for every minute
of every game ,I think Joseph will remain somewhat of a "White Elephant " .

by **heimdall** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:07 pm

Both Allen and Sterling need an extended period on the bench and need to get their heads straight, they have both become very ordinary players.

by **Pig Catcher** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:13 am

Joe Allen set for shoulder surgery

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has confirmed Joe Allen is expected to undergo a shoulder operation in the next week.

The midfielder was named as a substitute for Sunday's game against Tottenham but before kick-off at Anfield it was revealed the £15million man has been carrying an injury for almost five months.

Allen, who has struggled to find top form since following Rodgers from Swansea City last summer, will now have surgery in an attempt to cure the long-standing problem.

Rodgers told Sky Sports: "We made a change today, because Joe Allen has been struggling from around about the end of October with his shoulder and that has got worse.

"He will probably need an operation in the next week or so."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... er-surgery

by **Doeboy** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:45 pm

After a a promising start, his form has been a bit indifferent IMO. Granted, the injury may well be hindering him and needs to be taken into account but for me he seems to be playing within himself and I always feel there's more to come from. Watching the game last week it was mentioned to me both Allen and Dembele cost £15M respectively, and to be honest that genuinely surprised me as if someone had offered me both last summer and I had to pick one , it would have been Dembele without doubt. Still, Allen is a young guy and I'm sure he will develop. From what I can remember, he used to play in a bit more advanced position for Swansea but think a bit deeper for us seeing as Stevie plays that role.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:51 pm

allen had a poor game today but he was hung out to dry by the formation, gerrard and allen were like 2 king canute`s trying to stop the tide from coming in.

by **stmichael** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:15 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:51 pm wrote:allen had a poor game today but he was hung out to dry by the formation, gerrard and allen were like 2 king canute`s trying to stop the tide from coming in.

absolutely spot on.

anyone can see that allen needs to play in a 3 not a 2. we got overrun last week playing 2 in the middle and this week without lucas in that formation it was only going to leave our defence even more exposed.

he well and truly is the new scapegoat now whenever we play poorly.

by **eds** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:01 am

stmichael » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:15 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:51 pm wrote:allen had a poor game today but he was hung out to dry by the formation, gerrard and allen were like 2 king canute`s trying to stop the tide from coming in.

absolutely spot on.

anyone can see that allen needs to play in a 3 not a 2. we got overrun last week playing 2 in the middle and this week without lucas in that formation it was only going to leave our defence even more exposed.

he well and truly is the new scapegoat now whenever we play poorly.

I actually never bought in to the whole 'who-ha' about Allen when we he came in.

I think the 15m price tag on him will always weigh him down and now that his form has considerably dipped the magnifying glass is certainly on him.

As for a player not being able to cope in a system of 2 instead of 3, thats just nonsense. These guys are professionals and should adapt to to any system, this isn't the 80s anymore Mick its modern football and if you aren't adaptable then stick to the lower leagues where you can excel in that one dimensional stuff. If you went to likes of Barcelona and told them you could only play in "one" system they would laugh you right out of Spain.

One point I do agree is this scape-goat stuff, the team performed very poorly against Southampton and he shouldn't be the only one coping flak for our miserable performance. Rodgers should take a large slice of that cake, he has been very ordinary every time we start looking like we are going on a good run, only to lose to a minnow a week later. Very ordinary. :veryangry

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:01 am

He and Gerrard really struggled today. They were just outnumbered off and on the ball and were not smart enough as a pair to protect the defence. Allen was holding his shoulder at one point. I think he’ll have the operation after the international break.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:04 am

stmichael » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:15 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:51 pm wrote:allen had a poor game today but he was hung out to dry by the formation, gerrard and allen were like 2 king canute`s trying to stop the tide from coming in.

absolutely spot on.

anyone can see that allen needs to play in a 3 not a 2. we got overrun last week playing 2 in the middle and this week without lucas in that formation it was only going to leave our defence even more exposed.

he well and truly is the new scapegoat now whenever we play poorly.

gerrard was just as bad if not even worse, for one of their goals he made a half hearted attempt to win a header in their half and when the ball broke to a nearby southampton player he didnt even bother tracking back, he just started to walk.
they counter attacked, we were struggling for numbers and hey presto they f##king scored.
the defence will probably carry the can but there were unmarked runners all over the place pulling our defenders here there and everywhere.
when you are only going to play with 2 center mids they have got to be athlete`s who can run all day.
gerrard isnt athletic enough to play in a 2 these days.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:42 am

A couple of times he was fighting for the ball against 2, 3 and even 4 Southampton players without a team mate within 15 yards. Said it all really about the system.

by **stmichael** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:46 am

he's never been a defensive midfielder. he wasn't at swansea and he certainly isn't now. how we've not brought cover for lucas in the last two windows is beyond me. has to be addressed in the summer.

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