Liverpool FC Forum

Eagle » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:26 pm wrote:So according to you the only time teams score a goal is on the counter attack? And you claim to have watched the Liverpool teams of the 70s and the 80s! Go back and watch how those teams respected possession and built their moves.

we havent got the personel to play any other way, in the 70`s if we slung a ball into the box you had the likes of toshack (and after him david johnson) who was a target man CF and kevin keegan who, although small, was like tim cahill in the air,plus you had the likes of ray kennedy arriving from midfield (kennedy started out as a target man CF for arsenal and scored the goals that won the gunners the double in 1971), they were all great in the air.
then around those players you had the likes of terry mcdermott, jimmy case and even phil neal getting in there looking to get on to the end of knockdowns and scraps.
it was the same in the late 80`s, the only time we did have that approach was when we had dalglish and rush up front but they were two once in a lifetime players, dalglish was a creative genius and rush was the greatest goalscorer this club ever had.
we have a manager who doesnt believe in having someone who can get onto the end of crosses, you tell me how we are going to score off a slow build up.
pass our way through a packed and set defence? yeah right.

woof woof ! » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:40 pm wrote:No ones doubts Suarez's inherent ability BUT increasingly given our overall performances I can't make up my mind whether he's a luxury the team can't afford or a liability we can do without.   :(

i know same here. kinda like his namesake mr garcia.

Can be brilliant in some games, and tear the opposition a new one, then he can be shi.te for 3 games. and almost feel like he's taking up a place of someone who could actually be doing something. then the next game he scores.

its not suarez at fault it`s the system, no wonder swansea were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, we have 1 up front and try to walk it in.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:54 pm wrote:its not suarez at fault it`s the system, no wonder swansea were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, we have 1 up front and try to walk it in.

What was our problem last season when  we had multiple attacking options and still struggled to score and see matches out?

Boxscarf » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:41 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:54 pm wrote:its not suarez at fault it`s the system, no wonder swansea were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, we have 1 up front and try to walk it in.

What was our problem last season when  we had multiple attacking options and still struggled to score and see matches out?

last season`s failure was down to poor finishing and bad luck, but at least we created a lot of chances, we looked toothless today and that was by no means a great arsenal side, up till today there were doom and gloom clouds over the emirates.
if we keep on playing this system where 2 of our so called front 3 are expected to track back to the edge of our box then suarez is going to struggle.
this system just isnt working, our centre forward has no support, our fullbacks always seem to be facing 2 against 1 situations, we seem very succeptible to counter attacks (against west brom too), even this much vaunted pressing and winning the ball high up the pitch isnt happening, midfielders seem to be able to run straight down the middle of the pitch and attack our back 4....it looks a shambles at the moment

Luis should stay behind after training, to practise his shooting inside the 18 yard box.

Raoul » Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:35 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:42 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:33 pm wrote:Scott just bevause he would be on the right side ( or left ) doesn't mean he is going wide - the width is provided by the full backs.

Go re watch the derby last year where Gerrard scored a hat trick - Carroll was the centre player with Suarez being to the left of him the then Gerrard to the right.

but on saturday borini and downing were practically hugging the touchlines.
if we are going to play a narrow 3 then suarez can play in one of the wide positions but if it`s going to be like saturday i agree with scott suarez is wasted out there.

I agree he is not a wide player, and a narrow front three would suit him much better. If Rodgers is committed to two wide players, then I'm not sure where Suarez fits. Probably where Gerrard played against WBA. But that doesn't sound right either does it?

I think there is room for a true wide player on one flank and Suarez on the other, if Rodgers is not just looking for width from the full backs. Regardless, Suarez isn't the finisher we need, but we need to play him, so I think it is a case of cutting your cloth accordingly.

Hmmm, perhaps this is the answer after all? Drop Gerrard, or move him to the right, Borini up top with Suarez in the hole...

Here's a very interesting analysis of the Liverpool v Arsenal match with some food for thought on Suarez's contribution under Rodgers plan eg

However, Luis Suarez lost possession in an advanced central position on 22 occasions; In contrast, Danny Graham who played the same role against Arsenal for Swansea last season at the Liberty Stadium, lost possession just 4 times

clicky ----->          http://www.eplindex.com/18465/liverpool ... gress.html

he was awful on sunday. both him and gerrard were almost trying too hard. he needs to be moved out wide with borini down the middle as it's clear as day that borini offers nothing whatsoever out wide.

seriously i've never seen a player who needlessly overcomplicates so much. if it's not his fancy flicks which surrender possession then it's that chance near the end when he tried to dink the keeper instead of just putting his foot through it.

stmichael » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:19 pm wrote:seriously i've never seen a player who needlessly overcomplicates so much. if it's not his fancy flicks which surrender possession then it's that chance near the end when he tried to dink the keeper instead of just putting his foot through it.

There are also times when he's receiving the ball with his back to goal well away from the opposition area where he tries some first-time lay-off that is either wayward or easily picked off.  Sure, on occasion he's under real pressure from the CB and needs to get rid but more often than not he's got the time to take a touch, turn and survey the situation.  Doing so would allow him to find teammates or attack space more effectively.

most concerning is when he frequently beats 2/3 defenders and does all the hard work, gets into a shooting position inside the box, then fluffs the final shot wide or over. He did it loads V west Brom, missing at least 6 chances. Suarez misses probably half of our chances, inc last season.

He needs 4/5 chances (sometimes more) to score 1 goal.

Played OK today, 6/10 I would say.

he`s scored 7 goals in his last 11 prem games which is decent going.

classic case of the boy who cried wolf today. it wasn't a dive in a million years. it may not have been a penalty but it certainly wasn't a dive. the over-exaggeration of the fall cost him again. nothing compared to the scandal that was welbeck's dive earlier.

his work rate was good though and he deserved his goal. still frustrates the hell out of me though at times with his inability to get his head up and pick a pass.

He needs to do more...