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by **7_Kewell** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:35 pm

Where has this myth emerged from, that Kenny was only here 1 season? He had 17 months and during that time he made the same mistakes, over, and over again.

If there were signs if process, then sure, give him time. But i didn't see it.

If anything, Kenny looked lost on the sidelines as the likes of Swansea played us off the park.

by **supersub** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:39 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri May 18, 2012 1:30 pm wrote:
stmichael » Fri May 18, 2012 12:21 pm wrote:
Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 11:44 am wrote:So much rubbish is being thrown around at the moment. Kenny was primarily sacked for finishing closer to relegation than fourth place. You’d think that people would take this as a sign that the owners actually want to move towards our ultimate goal of winning the league but people are questioning their ambition? FSG’s goal is the same as ours, to win the league.

Some of you sound like absolute dinosaurs moaning about 'modern day football' and coming fourth versus cup success. As Carragher said, playing in the Champions League is a spring board for challenging for the league, and not the end goal itself. Winning the league cup was great, but Champions League qualification is essential if we want better players.

Yes it’s sad that Kenny has gone but there's no need for the fans to lose the plot. Kenny and Comolli have themselves to blame for being sacked. Together they overspent on mediocre mid-table players and Kenny decided to put these players straight into the team and persisted with them regardless of form and ignored the players like Kuyt and Maxi who helped him get the job in the first place. If we’d had a topsy turvy season (rather than got into a rut for 4 months) and finished in 6th or 7th spot only 5 points off a Champions League place I’m sure Kenny would still be in a job.

Sure FSG have made some mistakes in the handling of the situation but people who believe Kenny deserved more time surely can extend the same approach to FSG? After all this is their first time managing a football club. I don’t think Martinez and Rodgers are the way forward but there is nothing wrong with wanting to include them in the interview process.

And I'm happy FSG are conducting interviews and being through in the selection process. Nothing wrong with it at all. David Dein was seen alongside the owners at two consecutive games at the back end of the season and rumours suggest he may be acting as a consultant in terms of hiring the manager and a number of other positions at the club.

so if the new manager finishes 6th and wins nothing next season i presume you'd advocate him being replaced then? it takes longer than one full season to clean up the utter mess we were in when kenny came in.

even if he finishes one better than that in 5th place i`d expect him to leave, if he doesnt then i`d be interested to know why, 5th, 8th, 12th it doesnt matter, not qualifying for the CL is not qualifying for the CL.

It does appear anything below 4th is now irrelevant and punishable with a sacking, even if accompanied by a trophy or two. With this remit in place I expect FSG to obtain the services of a manager at the top of his proffession and rewarded with a bountiful of money to guarantee the worlds top players...4th is everything and money, trophies are for the glory hunters :unclesam:

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:43 pm

7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 12:35 pm wrote:Where has this myth emerged from, that Kenny was only here 1 season? He had 17 months and during that time he made the same mistakes, over, and over again.

If there were signs if process, then sure, give him time. But i didn't see it.

If anything, Kenny looked lost on the sidelines as the likes of Swansea played us off the park.

if you had watched football for more than 10 minutes you`d realise that that quite often happens, go have a look at united when ferguson finished halfway down the league twice in consecutive seasons (with a team that had 8 players in it that would go on to win the title a few years later), have a look at everton in the first 2 seasons of kendalls reign, bobby robsons ipswich was so appalling in his first 18 months there the honorable robson went to the board with his resignation letter but the board refused to accept it, the list is endless.

by **Eagle** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:54 pm

stmichael » Fri May 18, 2012 12:21 pm wrote:
Eagle » Fri May 18, 2012 11:44 am wrote:So much rubbish is being thrown around at the moment. Kenny was primarily sacked for finishing closer to relegation than fourth place. You’d think that people would take this as a sign that the owners actually want to move towards our ultimate goal of winning the league but people are questioning their ambition? FSG’s goal is the same as ours, to win the league.

Some of you sound like absolute dinosaurs moaning about 'modern day football' and coming fourth versus cup success. As Carragher said, playing in the Champions League is a spring board for challenging for the league, and not the end goal itself. Winning the league cup was great, but Champions League qualification is essential if we want better players.

Yes it’s sad that Kenny has gone but there's no need for the fans to lose the plot. Kenny and Comolli have themselves to blame for being sacked. Together they overspent on mediocre mid-table players and Kenny decided to put these players straight into the team and persisted with them regardless of form and ignored the players like Kuyt and Maxi who helped him get the job in the first place. If we’d had a topsy turvy season (rather than got into a rut for 4 months) and finished in 6th or 7th spot only 5 points off a Champions League place I’m sure Kenny would still be in a job.
Sure FSG have made some mistakes in the handling of the situation but people who believe Kenny deserved more time surely can extend the same approach to FSG? After all this is their first time managing a football club. I don’t think Martinez and Rodgers are the way forward but there is nothing wrong with wanting to include them in the interview process.

And I'm happy FSG are conducting interviews and being through in the selection process. Nothing wrong with it at all. David Dein was seen alongside the owners at two consecutive games at the back end of the season and rumours suggest he may be acting as a consultant in terms of hiring the manager and a number of other positions at the club.

so if the new manager finishes 6th and wins nothing next season i presume you'd advocate him being replaced then? it takes longer than one full season to clean up the utter mess we were in when kenny came in.

I don’t think you read my post properly. See the section I have highlighted in bold. It's about putting in a genuine challenge.

by **7_Kewell** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:56 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri May 18, 2012 12:43 pm wrote:
7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 12:35 pm wrote:Where has this myth emerged from, that Kenny was only here 1 season? He had 17 months and during that time he made the same mistakes, over, and over again.

If there were signs if process, then sure, give him time. But i didn't see it.

If anything, Kenny looked lost on the sidelines as the likes of Swansea played us off the park.

if you had watched football for more than 10 minutes you`d realise that that quite often happens, go have a look at united when ferguson finished halfway down the league twice in consecutive seasons (with a team that had 8 players in it that would go on to win the title a few years later), have a look at everton in the first 2 seasons of kendalls reign, bobby robsons ipswich was so appalling in his first 18 months there the honorable robson went to the board with his resignation letter but the board refused to accept it, the list is endless.

That was 20 years ago and, i hate to break it to you,but football has changed. A lot.

by **Eagle** » Fri May 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Kids playing in the streets nowadays dream of scoring in the Champions League final, not the FA Cup or League Cup finals. Welcome to 2012.

by **heimdall** » Fri May 18, 2012 2:11 pm

As long as the new manager is seen to be building the team, and acquiring players who add to the team rather than weaken it then he will be given time, it's as simple as that and by the way I would like to know if any Arsenal fan would swap their 3rd place finish with our carling cup, becuase they would need to have their heads checked.

by **jacdaniel** » Fri May 18, 2012 2:17 pm

heimdall » Fri May 18, 2012 1:11 pm wrote:As long as the new manager is seen to be building the team, and acquiring players who add to the team rather than weaken it then he will be given time, it's as simple as that and by the way I would like to know if any Arsenal fan would swap their 3rd place finish with our carling cup, becuase they would need to have their heads checked.

Dunno about that...

Seem's like 4th or nothing is the target.
We've just said on record that even a cup double mean's little to us.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Fri May 18, 2012 2:17 pm

7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 12:56 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri May 18, 2012 12:43 pm wrote:
7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 12:35 pm wrote:Where has this myth emerged from, that Kenny was only here 1 season? He had 17 months and during that time he made the same mistakes, over, and over again.

If there were signs if process, then sure, give him time. But i didn't see it.

If anything, Kenny looked lost on the sidelines as the likes of Swansea played us off the park.

if you had watched football for more than 10 minutes you`d realise that that quite often happens, go have a look at united when ferguson finished halfway down the league twice in consecutive seasons (with a team that had 8 players in it that would go on to win the title a few years later), have a look at everton in the first 2 seasons of kendalls reign, bobby robsons ipswich was so appalling in his first 18 months there the honorable robson went to the board with his resignation letter but the board refused to accept it, the list is endless.

That was 20 years ago and, i hate to break it to you,but football has changed. A lot.

building a side hasnt, the only things that have happened over the last 20 years is that the players have stopped bevvying and smoking and a bunch of businessmen have realised they can play on peoples love for their clubs and make money out of it.
malcom mcdonald was running the 100m in 10.9 in 1976 mate, thats as fast as walcott and he was built like brick sh1thouse, and he didnt stand out as particularly quick either for his day. they`ve just rebranded everything thats all, give it shiny new packaging like a soap powder.

by **Eagle** » Fri May 18, 2012 2:33 pm

How about the globalisation of football? Do you not think that has changed what is required to be a success?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri May 18, 2012 4:37 pm

7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 8:42 am wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri May 18, 2012 12:39 am wrote:
zarababe » Fri May 18, 2012 12:25 am wrote:Just tweeted Henry... No hiding place Guadiola it must be.. No Martinez or that man from swansea..

Get tweeting ppl let the power of reds fans force the issue

I tweeted him a few hours after he sacked him ,he just deletes the ones he clearly doesn't like ...I said "Congratulations you now have less credibility than
Venky's "

I don't know what's more cringworthy, you posting that on twitter, or the fact you repeat it continuously on here.

I would have to plump for acting under the pretence you're a Journalist ....now that's fucking sad :laugh:

You do know the majority of us just humour you , don't you lad ..or do you honestly believe anyone as deluded as you
could genuinely hold even a modicum of credibility . :laugh:

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri May 18, 2012 4:45 pm

heimdall » Fri May 18, 2012 1:11 pm wrote:As long as the new manager is seen to be building the team, and acquiring players who add to the team rather than weaken it then he will be given time, it's as simple as that and by the way I would like to know if any Arsenal fan would swap their 3rd place finish with our carling cup, becuase they would need to have their heads checked.

I would wager that thin crust you call patience will start cracking before too long ...you just cant help yourself mate :nod

by **7_Kewell** » Fri May 18, 2012 4:51 pm

Redbeergoggles, it matters little if you believe me or not, i still go to work each day and travel the world to write for a living. I would ask what you do; but the difference is i don't care. That's the difference.

Sorry it gripes you so much, why don't you abuse our chairman some more via twitter to make you feel better about yourself.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri May 18, 2012 4:54 pm

7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 3:51 pm wrote:Redbeergoggles, it matters little if you believe me or not, i still go to work each day and travel the world to write for a living. I would ask what you do; but the difference is i don't care. That's the difference.

Sorry it gripes you so much, why don't you abuse our chairman some more via twitter to make you feel better about yourself.

You started the dance lad,not me :laugh:

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri May 18, 2012 4:57 pm

7_Kewell » Fri May 18, 2012 3:51 pm wrote:Redbeergoggles, it matters little if you believe me or not, i still go to work each day and travel the world to write for a living. I would ask what you do; but the difference is i don't care. That's the difference.

Sorry it gripes you so much, why don't you abuse our chairman some more via twitter to make you feel better about yourself.

Do you write for the Viz mate ? :laugh:

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