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Gutted and agree totally with LFC2007, everyone is getting carried away with the so called up and coming managers after a good season.
Like he said there was calls for Coyle about 18 months ago and look what ended up happening there.

Rodgers if i recall struggled at Reading who have since been promoted.
The likes of Lambert and Martinez have done very good jobs at there respective clubs but its a totally different job with different pressures managing Liverpool.

The league form was awful but i honestly feel we were unlucky in so many games and in others towards the end of the season i think the players were more interested in the FA Cup after already being qualified for the europa league.

I cant see how after 2 cup finals in a first season back, that he did not deserve another season.

Shocked and gutted.

I'm disappointed to see Kenny go but to finish 8th in what has been the poorest Premier League for years is a disappointing season, I would have been happy for him to be given another season but I'm not up in arms about him going, I guess it all depends on the replacment.

Ben Patrick » Wed May 16, 2012 6:40 pm wrote:Gutted and agree totally with LFC2007, everyone is getting carried away with the so called up and coming managers after a good season.
Like he said there was calls for Coyle about 18 months ago and look what ended up happening there.

Rodgers if i recall struggled at Reading who have since been promoted.
The likes of Lambert and Martinez have done very good jobs at there respective clubs but its a totally different job with different pressures managing Liverpool.

The league form was awful but i honestly feel we were unlucky in so many games and in others towards the end of the season i think the players were more interested in the FA Cup after already being qualified for the europa league.

I cant see how after 2 cup finals in a first season back, that he did not deserve another season.

Shocked and gutted.

I agree with this completely. The football we've played this season has generally been good, we've hit the woodwork 40 odd times and haven't been particularly easy to beat. The squad lacked a bit of balance but its nothing that couldnt be addressed this summer. I love Kenny Dalglish and as a 24 year old it was fantastic to see the man manage the club he loves.

Anyway it's onwards and upwards now, I think we could have sorted things with Kenny and he deserved another season but the Yanks have already shown they take no sh!t. I'm just hoping they don't go for a midtable premier league manager and think that'll work. The legend that is Kenny Dalglish will always live on, those who have slated him this season should be ashamed. Everything I've experienced about him is nothing but grace, humility and dignity. What a gent he is. You'll Never (ever) Walk Alone Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish

Quote: " He had better be quick because he will only have one season:"


..and therein lies the BIGGEST problem facing the club now.

Yank owners that know next to nothing about football (soccer!!!!?). I wonder how many games they actually watched?

If they had bothered they would have seen that the only thing lacking was consistency.

How do you get consistency? Over T-I-M-E

As it is we are welll and truly up the creek UNLESS we get a PROVEN Manager who has WON major trophies.

With Martinez/ Rodgers etc - we finish bottom half next season - guaranteed (possibly relegated as thats the type of experience they are used to)...then we start all over again.

This may well be the most colossal blunder of all time for LFC.

Unless...Rafa?.... maybe , just maybe.....

Is it possible to be both stunned and not at all at the same time?  If so, I'm that.  Stunned that the owners have so brazenly dispensed with a living legend who a large segment of supporters still backed as manager.  Sad to see Kenny hustled out the door in this manner--especially if the sack only came through today after Kenny flew back from face-to-face talks.  On the other hand, these owners have always shown a bit of a ruthless streak.  Last summer they sacked the most successful Red Sox manager in modern club history after he oversaw an epic September collapse that denied the team what seemed like a certain spot in the post-season.  Clearly, these fellas mean business.

They've really stepped out on the limb with this move though.  Supporters have sung their praises ever since they drove Twit and ***** out the door but if they ***** up this decision (Kenny's replacement) I expect the Yanks Out banners will fly once more.

Is that Ian Ayre going as well?

Poor poor poor poor poor decision. I don't think that anyone has argued it was a good season, it wasn't, but Kenny deserved so much better than what he just got. Plain and simple. What I don't understand is in the grand scheme of things what another season would have cost the club to do the right thing by possibly the most loyal servant the club has ever seen who ALWAYS did the right thing by them. One more season and if he hadn't have cut the mustard, none of the fan base would be up in arms like they are now and I doubt that Kenny would have had cause for complaint. If he was successful, then everyone is happy. I do not understand for the life of me why he was offered a 3 yr contract in the first place. This way just leaves a sour taste in the mouths of everyone and makes the owners look like a bunch of tools which I don't think they are.

Personally I have my suspicion that Kenny played hard ball. Based on his comments this weekend about the integrity and class of the owners, I think that he expected to receive their backing. That ties in quite well with the rumors of the back me or fire me comments that were alleged to have been made. I don't think they were planning on firing him, but I think he was on his final string and with restrictions for spending this summer and he pushed them too hard. I can't say I blame him either, but at the same time, perhaps the fiery stubbornness was not the right tactic for them. Terrible terrible unnecessary shame.

As I have said many times, he represented something that Liverpool had lost and that is the reason most here were excited to have him back. I hope hope hope that they find a way of keeping hold of it. Kenny deserves better and should occupy a position at the club similar to the way Bobby Charlton is honored at the club. Anything less than that and the page of history will be turned forever and a lot of fans will never feel the same way about the club again.

As for replacements, now that this decision has been made, FSG have a big decision to make. Take the wrong person here and there'll be hell to pay. I agree with all that this needs to be a big big big name.

Speaking for myself I wanted Rafa to stay for the same reasons I wanted Kenny to stay. I think of all modern managers Rafa displayed a loyalty to and understanding of the club, it's fans and it's heritage that would be lacking in most other managers. I don't think he got the support he needed and I think he has unfinished business too. If I am honest, I found the style of football we played under him too pedestrian and too side to side then back to the keeper and that bothers me. Initially under Kenny we changed all of that and I think we were showing signs of playing the Liverpool way. I wouldn't be disappointed if Rafa came back cos I really like the bloke and I think he got screwed massively at the end, which also was not in keeping with the Liverpool way.

I have said several times that I have an instinct for Martin O'Neill. I think he represents old school methods....trained under Cloughy and seems to be a no-nonsense manager with a talent for making the right changes in a game when needed. I think he gets a lot out of the players he has under him and he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who is totally star struck. Arguably he has never been at a major club and could be considered untested, but he's been seen to make a significant impact at all the clubs he has gone into. We're not a top club at the moment and we need to graft our way to the top with someone credible and not a fly by night.

Rafa is playing to the fans and the heart, but I think O'Neill could be the canny choice here now that a decision has to be made.

I hope with all my heart that this is the right decision in the long term and that we finally move along out of the rut that we are clearly still stuck in at the moment. Kenny deserves to be honored and given a role of importance. Actions to show the respect he deserves rather than the rather hollow words that have graced the news pages this evening.

Eff me, how quickly the world changes....16 months ago Hodgson was in no mans land and we were elated for Kenny....fast forward and he's the manager of England going to the Euros and our boy is out on the street. Just goes to show that saying the right thing at the right time counts for more than we ever would give it credit for. No justice.

Boxscarf » Wed May 16, 2012 5:34 pm wrote:

7_Kewell » Wed May 16, 2012 5:31 pm wrote:
Yep, it looks like FSG have decided to go 'their' way and the pressure is firmly on them now to deliver success. Time to wait

If they appoint their man and he becomes a successful manager for us there will be a lot of people with egg on their face, that's for sure.

I'll happily take egg on me face, eat humble pie, bow, scrape and kiss their feet should that be the case, but unless they back 'their' new man with more cash then I reckon I can stand easy, unafraid of beggin for forgiveness to FSG.

No-one cudda turned that round inside 16 months with all the mitigatin factors that occured. Not even the much vaunted Guardiola or mourinho. I refuse to believe it possible.

They asked the man to step in in our hour of need then tell him to fk off with some kind words as he leaves. Disgraceful.

I wondered why they keep moving the threads..
I think FSG did what many think is a tough decision and kudos for them to have the political will to make those.
KK is a legend and the longer he stays the worst is for him. It is clear the current arrangement is not working.
He has helped steadied the ship and unfortunately, KK forgot to release anchor.
Now the real rebuilding starts.
As I have said before, get some one young and full of ideas.
Has the hint of a tactical genius, attack oriented (not playing rugby on football pitch style) and loves a technically gifted squad than a highly robotic one touch type.
I have decided to cancel my subscription before the news, now I will have to keep it to show some solidarity and support for the club.
I really don't care if the manager is from a small club. All this rubbish about Liverpool needing big club managers are merely just that rubbish.
Rubbish disguised itself as what the club needs but in reality nothing more than what a self centered fans want.
To help boost his ego over other fans with small club managers.
Let's not forget, Arsene Wenger is from a small Japanese club. Look where he has brought Arsenal now?
I am sure many in the Liverpool fan base were laughing their asses off when Newcastle assigned Alan Pardew as manager.
Are they still laughing? 13 points gap between a small club manager and a legend. Almost 20 points if compared to small club Wenger.
What this make KK? Mini club manager? Stop living in history.
Stop all those nonsense about who you want, let FSB do their due diligence to get the right man for the job.
Support the club and let it blossom.
If you can't let FSB decide who to hire and have none of it, then leave. Just close the door behind you.
Stop being the cancer. Honestly, you don't love the club.
It only shows you love yourself and your opinions more.

Quote "As I have said before, get some one young and full of ideas.
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Why not try to get someone experienced, not too old , with PROVEN methods and a SUCCESSFUL track record?

Absolutely devastated by the news ,just left this message for John Henry "Congratulations, you now have less credibility than Venky's "
once again you Yanks have seriously underestimated Liverpool and their supporters .

FSG can go f*ck themselves now ,wouldnt ***** on the fucking two faced cuntz if they were on fire .Well and truly bent over for the media
What a cowardly way to pay the fans who got rid of Hicks and the other worm back .

Absolutely fuming with the decision , couldn't believe it when I heard it ,lost all respect for these cretins .
f*ck THEM ALL !!!!!!

So here we are again.

Another new manager who will need a season to bed in a new team, with new players and new tactics.

Another wasted season of "they need time to gel as a team" excuses.

What happened to stability????

Comolli must take share of the blame in particular with regard to Enrique, Downing and Adam.

Kenny was let down by a few senior older players a bit like Rafa was a couple of years ago.

Really disapointed to hear the news, Kenny deserved another season to turn it around IMO hes a club legend and a proven winner, 18months is not enough time for him to be declared not good enough. Cant help but feel that a combination of bad signings and the handling of the Suarez Evra debacle where the main reasons for his departure as we have improved on the pitch since Hodgson left.

The owners have to think big to replace Kenny, the fans will be furious if someone unproven comes in, i will beyone livid if someone like Roberto Martinez gets the job, i dont get the hype about him at all, scraping by with Wigan Athletic dosnt make you qualified to manage Liverpool FC. We need someone with proven ability, a good record in the transfer market and trophy winning experience.